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BainsBane

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8. But the real progressive designation is precisely what started this

Wed Apr 26, 2017, 07:53 AM

Apr 2017

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And the fact is your argument and that of others here does seem to have done a complete about face in very short time.

The issue isn't casting a vote for a conservative Dem for lack of other choices. It's holding those people up as "progressives" and the future of the party.

Democrats have tolerated red-state conservatives, but they haven't signaled them out for benediction.
That really is the difference. We haven't seen people running around insisting Joe Manchin's positions should be a standard or normalized. He's tolerated, not celebrated. The difference is key. It is that celebration that is so divisive, that has prompted women's rights groups to mobilize.

Now it looks like something similar is happening in VA. It's becoming a serious problem.

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Ok, let's talk about conservative Democrats [View all] Kentonio Apr 2017 OP

How many votes do the REPUBLIANS need to damage Abortion rights? fun n serious Apr 2017 #1

We can't.. coco22 Apr 2017 #2

The ACA passed without a single vote to spare. If one of those "conservative democrat" seats... PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #3

So the wide tent coalition held? SticksnStones Apr 2017 #10

I thought the goal was to primary people like Manchin and Heidikamp BainsBane Apr 2017 #4

I'm not making an argument, I'm asking for people's input regarding strategy. Kentonio Apr 2017 #5

But the real progressive designation is precisely what started this BainsBane Apr 2017 #8

Thank you! boston bean Apr 2017 #12

I'm not making an argument, I'm asking for people's input regarding strategy. Kentonio Apr 2017 #16

I'm giving my input BainsBane Apr 2017 #25

I specifically requested people not to talk about individuals or primary fights Kentonio Apr 2017 #57

Sorry, dude. Discussing what Bernie does/says in 2017 is NOT "refighting the primary". NurseJackie Apr 2017 #72

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #77

Nobody is attacking anybody. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #85

WHOA!! WTH!!! Our Group IS the Democratic Party.. Cha Apr 2017 #122

You know, you are derailing your own thread. MineralMan Apr 2017 #96

You want to omit actual cases from your discussion BainsBane Apr 2017 #88

"Primary Fights"? You're the only one who keeps bringing that Cha Apr 2017 #124

Yeah - I thought he was asking for a conversation JustAnotherGen Apr 2017 #93

Exactly right! endorsing Parriello in the Virginia governor's primary Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #44

Good point Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2017 #106

As a Democrat living in Texas, I agree with your analysis Gothmog Apr 2017 #112

You don't get to decide what people discuss in replies. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #45

I've repeatedly asked very politely for this one thread to be kept to the issue in the op Kentonio Apr 2017 #51

LOLOLOLOLOL. JTFrog Apr 2017 #54

You want it hidden because your argument doesn't work with real life examples. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #66

For the thousandth time, I'm not making a damn argument. Kentonio Apr 2017 #68

Yes you are. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #73

What are you afraid of? If you TRULY wanted opinions, you'd let the conversation go where it goes... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #74

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #78

. George II Apr 2017 #82

Yes indeed. (Thank you.) NurseJackie Apr 2017 #87

Thank you Gothmog Apr 2017 #111

Exactly BainsBane Apr 2017 #89

Congratulations zipplewrath Apr 2017 #94

Bate? NurseJackie Apr 2017 #100

Presumption on my part zipplewrath Apr 2017 #116

Well, it appears that you've presumed incorrectly then... AND again now. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #117

Yes I saw that zipplewrath Apr 2017 #120

You're blaming the wrong person... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #123

Tou*******Che'! Cha Apr 2017 #126

Sister Dorthy zipplewrath Apr 2017 #130

Dorothy Zbornak: Oh good grief, Rose! NurseJackie Apr 2017 #131

Rapped knuckles zipplewrath Apr 2017 #132

LOL NurseJackie Apr 2017 #133

Did you mean to address that to the removed post and poster? Vesper Apr 2017 #108

Look, I have to be honest with you, there are serious issues with the way you dialogue with people. stevenleser Apr 2017 #105

You might want to look that mirror there, it's been about nothing but personal insults Vesper Apr 2017 #109

Demsrule! Cha Apr 2017 #121

You can't separate it from that context, though. kcr Apr 2017 #97

Nicely done. A thoughtful, concise and factual reply. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #104

This isn't about the Damn primary as too many are Cha Apr 2017 #118

Not the only goal. Orsino Apr 2017 #6

Again, that isn't the concern. BainsBane Apr 2017 #9

There's more than one concern. Orsino Apr 2017 #17

This started due to a mayor's race BainsBane Apr 2017 #27

I would rather have seen Ossof get endorsed earlier and more heavily, too. Orsino Apr 2017 #32

You most certainly can BainsBane Apr 2017 #38

Because a mayor is like a Congressman? Orsino Apr 2017 #46

That is right...so why was the pro-choice Democrat ignored in the VA governors race? Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #48

Because party leadership doesn't always agree with me? Orsino Apr 2017 #52

This is who Perriello is... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #64

That's who he was in Goode's district... Orsino Apr 2017 #67

It has not been a decade and Perriello started changing his positions after he signed up to run... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #76

Thanks for this information JustAnotherGen Apr 2017 #80

It does get confusing, doesn't it? mcar Apr 2017 #33

Now apparently talking about current races BainsBane Apr 2017 #35

Seems like it's happening in the present so I don't get that argument mcar Apr 2017 #37

Gaslighting BainsBane Apr 2017 #39

I won't be gaslighted either mcar Apr 2017 #40

Ah yes Kentonio Apr 2017 #71

yeah, they be tryin' Cha Apr 2017 #119

Primarying Machin would be a mistake. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2017 #114

I'm not arguing that BainsBane Apr 2017 #115

As a factual matter wouldn't having some conservative Dems make it more likely we have a majority. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2017 #7

That's also a good point. Kentonio Apr 2017 #11

Well, welcome aboard to pragmatism. boston bean Apr 2017 #13

Do you think following people around insulting them is a useful way to communicate your ideas? Kentonio Apr 2017 #18

You found that comment insulting??? Second, I don't follow you around... you just pop up boston bean Apr 2017 #20

Yes, I did find it insulting. Kentonio Apr 2017 #24

maybe, maybe not. What I've seen from you is elevation of a person and that persons ideas. boston bean Apr 2017 #28

I've always seen a bigger picture Kentonio Apr 2017 #36

"...without assumptions of motive being made." LOL! Like accusing people of hijacking threads? NurseJackie Apr 2017 #90

I agree...I voted for Tim Ryan before his epipheny on pro-choice. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #34

Being the majority party in both houses of Congress is what matters most Lee-Lee Apr 2017 #14

Good post. I lean towards the first option. DanTex Apr 2017 #15

You're probably right. Kentonio Apr 2017 #19

I'd love to be proven wrong and see a progressive elected in WV or ND. DanTex Apr 2017 #23

That becomes the calculation really doesn't it. Kentonio Apr 2017 #30

You left out Perriello in the Virginia governor's primary where Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #21

I stated very clearly that this isn't a thread about individuals Kentonio Apr 2017 #26

Why is that? Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #41

There are already at least half a dozen threads where people are discussing individuals Kentonio Apr 2017 #50

Because the OP's entire case falls apart if you use real life examples like Perriello. FSogol Apr 2017 #56

exactly right...and Perriello also voted for drilling off Virginia's coast ...so I guess Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #58

Have we suddenly been transported into opposite world? Kentonio Apr 2017 #60

Saying "don't use examples of politicians" is a cop out. That's what my comment referenced. FSogol Apr 2017 #63

How can I want people to agree with me, when I don't have an answer? Kentonio Apr 2017 #65

Look, I'm a Democrat for a reason. hamsterjill Apr 2017 #22

At one time, there were 'liberal, moderate, conservative' Democrats and building concensus was the Donkees Apr 2017 #29

What do you think has caused the switch? Kentonio Apr 2017 #31

Abandoning the 50 state strategy dismantled the infrastucture which strengthened local candidates. Donkees Apr 2017 #53

Yeah, makes sense. It does seem crazy to me that we have races where we don't even run candidates Kentonio Apr 2017 #55

Yes! Yes! Yes! Phoenix61 Apr 2017 #103

Personally I don't see much point in any of this. Scruffy1 Apr 2017 #42

I guess I was thinking more in terms of who we support nationally with cash and endorsements Kentonio Apr 2017 #61

I consider "conservative democrats" to be displaced republicans. no_hypocrisy Apr 2017 #43

Heath Shuler is a good case study Lee-Lee Apr 2017 #47

Out of curiousity, do you know if he actually voted against or abstained on many of those? Kentonio Apr 2017 #62

He did Lee-Lee Apr 2017 #75

If individual replies could be "liked" or "recommended"... I'd choose THIS one! NurseJackie Apr 2017 #69

Me Too, NJ DarthDem Apr 2017 #79

Heath was in the Nebraska legislature so he had nothing to do with the bils you are talking about. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #99

Umm, Heath Shuler was a Democrat Congressman from NC Lee-Lee Apr 2017 #110

Sorry I thought it was Mello you were talking about. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #127

He is actually worse than Mello whom I somehow thought we were talking about... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #128

It is a conundrum treestar Apr 2017 #49

Part of it is to understand their issues are not always the same as yours Lee-Lee Apr 2017 #59

I think there's a lot of truth to that. Kentonio Apr 2017 #70

Yes. Maybe gun control is more for urban areas treestar Apr 2017 #92

And it plays out in rural areas as "big city" elites out of touch Lee-Lee Apr 2017 #98

Democrats did fine in the south before the republican party convinced a good number of CrispyQ Apr 2017 #81

True, but there is much more to it than that. Caliman73 Apr 2017 #86

Nationally, I don't think we have much choice Bradical79 Apr 2017 #83

Theoretically, the whole taxation/representation premise MedusaX Apr 2017 #84

It's all about money zipplewrath Apr 2017 #91

It is impossible to discuss your topic without using examples. MineralMan Apr 2017 #95

The OP describes a political environment where voters HeartachesNhangovers Apr 2017 #101

You say "we." Cary Apr 2017 #102

I hate the idea of forced purity. It leads to low quality candidates with no support, imo. Oneironaut Apr 2017 #107

It's very tricky loyalsister Apr 2017 #113

It would help to understand that there are radical differences between these red areas. wildeyed Apr 2017 #125

I have to say I see some supporting conservadems who have slammed them previously. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #129