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Kentonio

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11. That's also a good point.

Wed Apr 26, 2017, 07:54 AM

Apr 2017

It certainly does expand the tent. I've been thinking of it more as a temporary way to make people move more left, but simply expanding the range of ideals we encompass is also relevant. I guess then the question becomes where we draw the line in terms of how close to core party values they are.

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Ok, let's talk about conservative Democrats [View all] Kentonio Apr 2017 OP

How many votes do the REPUBLIANS need to damage Abortion rights? fun n serious Apr 2017 #1

We can't.. coco22 Apr 2017 #2

The ACA passed without a single vote to spare. If one of those "conservative democrat" seats... PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #3

So the wide tent coalition held? SticksnStones Apr 2017 #10

I thought the goal was to primary people like Manchin and Heidikamp BainsBane Apr 2017 #4

I'm not making an argument, I'm asking for people's input regarding strategy. Kentonio Apr 2017 #5

But the real progressive designation is precisely what started this BainsBane Apr 2017 #8

Thank you! boston bean Apr 2017 #12

I'm not making an argument, I'm asking for people's input regarding strategy. Kentonio Apr 2017 #16

I'm giving my input BainsBane Apr 2017 #25

I specifically requested people not to talk about individuals or primary fights Kentonio Apr 2017 #57

Sorry, dude. Discussing what Bernie does/says in 2017 is NOT "refighting the primary". NurseJackie Apr 2017 #72

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #77

Nobody is attacking anybody. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #85

WHOA!! WTH!!! Our Group IS the Democratic Party.. Cha Apr 2017 #122

You know, you are derailing your own thread. MineralMan Apr 2017 #96

You want to omit actual cases from your discussion BainsBane Apr 2017 #88

"Primary Fights"? You're the only one who keeps bringing that Cha Apr 2017 #124

Yeah - I thought he was asking for a conversation JustAnotherGen Apr 2017 #93

Exactly right! endorsing Parriello in the Virginia governor's primary Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #44

Good point Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2017 #106

As a Democrat living in Texas, I agree with your analysis Gothmog Apr 2017 #112

You don't get to decide what people discuss in replies. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #45

I've repeatedly asked very politely for this one thread to be kept to the issue in the op Kentonio Apr 2017 #51

LOLOLOLOLOL. JTFrog Apr 2017 #54

You want it hidden because your argument doesn't work with real life examples. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #66

For the thousandth time, I'm not making a damn argument. Kentonio Apr 2017 #68

Yes you are. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #73

What are you afraid of? If you TRULY wanted opinions, you'd let the conversation go where it goes... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #74

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #78

. George II Apr 2017 #82

Yes indeed. (Thank you.) NurseJackie Apr 2017 #87

Thank you Gothmog Apr 2017 #111

Exactly BainsBane Apr 2017 #89

Congratulations zipplewrath Apr 2017 #94

Bate? NurseJackie Apr 2017 #100

Presumption on my part zipplewrath Apr 2017 #116

Well, it appears that you've presumed incorrectly then... AND again now. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #117

Yes I saw that zipplewrath Apr 2017 #120

You're blaming the wrong person... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #123

Tou*******Che'! Cha Apr 2017 #126

Sister Dorthy zipplewrath Apr 2017 #130

Dorothy Zbornak: Oh good grief, Rose! NurseJackie Apr 2017 #131

Rapped knuckles zipplewrath Apr 2017 #132

LOL NurseJackie Apr 2017 #133

Did you mean to address that to the removed post and poster? Vesper Apr 2017 #108

Look, I have to be honest with you, there are serious issues with the way you dialogue with people. stevenleser Apr 2017 #105

You might want to look that mirror there, it's been about nothing but personal insults Vesper Apr 2017 #109

Demsrule! Cha Apr 2017 #121

You can't separate it from that context, though. kcr Apr 2017 #97

Nicely done. A thoughtful, concise and factual reply. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #104

This isn't about the Damn primary as too many are Cha Apr 2017 #118

Not the only goal. Orsino Apr 2017 #6

Again, that isn't the concern. BainsBane Apr 2017 #9

There's more than one concern. Orsino Apr 2017 #17

This started due to a mayor's race BainsBane Apr 2017 #27

I would rather have seen Ossof get endorsed earlier and more heavily, too. Orsino Apr 2017 #32

You most certainly can BainsBane Apr 2017 #38

Because a mayor is like a Congressman? Orsino Apr 2017 #46

That is right...so why was the pro-choice Democrat ignored in the VA governors race? Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #48

Because party leadership doesn't always agree with me? Orsino Apr 2017 #52

This is who Perriello is... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #64

That's who he was in Goode's district... Orsino Apr 2017 #67

It has not been a decade and Perriello started changing his positions after he signed up to run... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #76

Thanks for this information JustAnotherGen Apr 2017 #80

It does get confusing, doesn't it? mcar Apr 2017 #33

Now apparently talking about current races BainsBane Apr 2017 #35

Seems like it's happening in the present so I don't get that argument mcar Apr 2017 #37

Gaslighting BainsBane Apr 2017 #39

I won't be gaslighted either mcar Apr 2017 #40

Ah yes Kentonio Apr 2017 #71

yeah, they be tryin' Cha Apr 2017 #119

Primarying Machin would be a mistake. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2017 #114

I'm not arguing that BainsBane Apr 2017 #115

As a factual matter wouldn't having some conservative Dems make it more likely we have a majority. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2017 #7

That's also a good point. Kentonio Apr 2017 #11

Well, welcome aboard to pragmatism. boston bean Apr 2017 #13

Do you think following people around insulting them is a useful way to communicate your ideas? Kentonio Apr 2017 #18

You found that comment insulting??? Second, I don't follow you around... you just pop up boston bean Apr 2017 #20

Yes, I did find it insulting. Kentonio Apr 2017 #24

maybe, maybe not. What I've seen from you is elevation of a person and that persons ideas. boston bean Apr 2017 #28

I've always seen a bigger picture Kentonio Apr 2017 #36

"...without assumptions of motive being made." LOL! Like accusing people of hijacking threads? NurseJackie Apr 2017 #90

I agree...I voted for Tim Ryan before his epipheny on pro-choice. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #34

Being the majority party in both houses of Congress is what matters most Lee-Lee Apr 2017 #14

Good post. I lean towards the first option. DanTex Apr 2017 #15

You're probably right. Kentonio Apr 2017 #19

I'd love to be proven wrong and see a progressive elected in WV or ND. DanTex Apr 2017 #23

That becomes the calculation really doesn't it. Kentonio Apr 2017 #30

You left out Perriello in the Virginia governor's primary where Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #21

I stated very clearly that this isn't a thread about individuals Kentonio Apr 2017 #26

Why is that? Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #41

There are already at least half a dozen threads where people are discussing individuals Kentonio Apr 2017 #50

Because the OP's entire case falls apart if you use real life examples like Perriello. FSogol Apr 2017 #56

exactly right...and Perriello also voted for drilling off Virginia's coast ...so I guess Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #58

Have we suddenly been transported into opposite world? Kentonio Apr 2017 #60

Saying "don't use examples of politicians" is a cop out. That's what my comment referenced. FSogol Apr 2017 #63

How can I want people to agree with me, when I don't have an answer? Kentonio Apr 2017 #65

Look, I'm a Democrat for a reason. hamsterjill Apr 2017 #22

At one time, there were 'liberal, moderate, conservative' Democrats and building concensus was the Donkees Apr 2017 #29

What do you think has caused the switch? Kentonio Apr 2017 #31

Abandoning the 50 state strategy dismantled the infrastucture which strengthened local candidates. Donkees Apr 2017 #53

Yeah, makes sense. It does seem crazy to me that we have races where we don't even run candidates Kentonio Apr 2017 #55

Yes! Yes! Yes! Phoenix61 Apr 2017 #103

Personally I don't see much point in any of this. Scruffy1 Apr 2017 #42

I guess I was thinking more in terms of who we support nationally with cash and endorsements Kentonio Apr 2017 #61

I consider "conservative democrats" to be displaced republicans. no_hypocrisy Apr 2017 #43

Heath Shuler is a good case study Lee-Lee Apr 2017 #47

Out of curiousity, do you know if he actually voted against or abstained on many of those? Kentonio Apr 2017 #62

He did Lee-Lee Apr 2017 #75

If individual replies could be "liked" or "recommended"... I'd choose THIS one! NurseJackie Apr 2017 #69

Me Too, NJ DarthDem Apr 2017 #79

Heath was in the Nebraska legislature so he had nothing to do with the bils you are talking about. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #99

Umm, Heath Shuler was a Democrat Congressman from NC Lee-Lee Apr 2017 #110

Sorry I thought it was Mello you were talking about. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #127

He is actually worse than Mello whom I somehow thought we were talking about... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #128

It is a conundrum treestar Apr 2017 #49

Part of it is to understand their issues are not always the same as yours Lee-Lee Apr 2017 #59

I think there's a lot of truth to that. Kentonio Apr 2017 #70

Yes. Maybe gun control is more for urban areas treestar Apr 2017 #92

And it plays out in rural areas as "big city" elites out of touch Lee-Lee Apr 2017 #98

Democrats did fine in the south before the republican party convinced a good number of CrispyQ Apr 2017 #81

True, but there is much more to it than that. Caliman73 Apr 2017 #86

Nationally, I don't think we have much choice Bradical79 Apr 2017 #83

Theoretically, the whole taxation/representation premise MedusaX Apr 2017 #84

It's all about money zipplewrath Apr 2017 #91

It is impossible to discuss your topic without using examples. MineralMan Apr 2017 #95

The OP describes a political environment where voters HeartachesNhangovers Apr 2017 #101

You say "we." Cary Apr 2017 #102

I hate the idea of forced purity. It leads to low quality candidates with no support, imo. Oneironaut Apr 2017 #107

It's very tricky loyalsister Apr 2017 #113

It would help to understand that there are radical differences between these red areas. wildeyed Apr 2017 #125

I have to say I see some supporting conservadems who have slammed them previously. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #129