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LostOne4Ever

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64. Everything I stated is a verifiable fact and nothing was misrepresented and I will prove it.
Wed Apr 26, 2017, 04:43 PM
Apr 2017

Last edited Thu Apr 27, 2017, 12:26 PM - Edit history (1)

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4]What I said was this:[/font]

[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]My most passionate issues is LGBTQ rights

Yet I voted for someone for president who stood before the senate and told the world marriage is the union of a man and woman. A person who lambasted a form for being inclusive of LGBTQ people out of fear of what Fox news might think. A Person who only supported SSM after it reached over 50% popularity.

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4]There are three claims here. The first that said candidate stood before the senate and told the world marriage is the union of a man and a woman. Again this is a verifiable fact and here is the proof, a video of her doing just that:[/font]



[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4]Further:[/font]



[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4]and: [/font]



[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4]My second claim was that she got upset about an LGBTQ inclusive form because of Fox News. Again, this is a fact:[/font]

http://www.advocate.com/election/2015/10/01/hillary-clinton-opposed-pro-lgbt-changes-state-department

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4]These are her exact words from the article:[/font]

[div class="excerpt" style="background-color:#dcdcdc; padding-bottom:5px; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-bottom:none; border-radius:0.4615em 0.4615em 0em 0em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]Hillary Clinton[div class="excerpt" style="background-color:#f0f0f0; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-top:none; border-radius:0em 0em 0.4615em 0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]“I’m not defending that decision, which I disagree w and knew nothing about, in front of this Congress. I could live w letting people in nontraditional families choose another descriptor so long as we retained the presumption of mother and father. We need to address this today or we will be facing a huge Fox-generated media storm led by Palin et al.”

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4]Again a verifiable fact and exactly as I said it was. Finally, I acknowledged that she did EVENTUALLY come around to supporting SSM, BUT ONLY AFTER it was polling above 50% support. Again, this is easily verifiable:[/font]

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/17/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-change-position-same-sex-marriage/

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4]She officially came out in support in March of 2013, but support for SSM reached above 50% back in 2012:[/font]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/162398/sex-marriage-support-solidifies-above.aspx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_opinion_of_same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4]So again, what I said was a pure fact, and there was no misrepresentation at all. However, YOU misrepresented what I said. You posted her campaign position during the 2016 election, which I never even mentioned:[/font]

[div class="excerpt" style="background-color:#dcdcdc; padding-bottom:5px; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-bottom:none; border-radius:0.4615em 0.4615em 0em 0em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]mercuryblues[div class="excerpt" style="background-color:#f0f0f0; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-top:none; border-radius:0em 0em 0.4615em 0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]Here is her platform on LBGTQ rights

As president, Hillary will:
Fight for full federal equality for LGBT Americans. Hillary will work with Congress to pass the Equality Act, continue President Obama’s LGBT equality executive actions, and support efforts underway in the courts to protect people from discrimination on the basis of gender identity and sexual orientation in every aspect of public life.
Support LGBT youth, parents, and elders. Hillary will end so-called “conversion therapy” for minors, combat youth homelessness by ensuring adequate funding for safe and welcoming shelters, and take on bullying and harassment in schools. She’ll end discriminatory treatment of LGBT families in adoptions, and protect LGBT elders against discrimination.
Honor the military service of LGBT people. Hillary applauds the Pentagon’s decision to allow transgender personnel to serve openly, and as Commander-in-Chief, she will upgrade service records of LGBT veterans dismissed due to their sexual orientation.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/lgbt-equality/

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4]Your exact words. I never mentioned any of that. Then you posted her voting history:[/font]


[div class="excerpt" style="background-color:#dcdcdc; padding-bottom:5px; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-bottom:none; border-radius:0.4615em 0.4615em 0em 0em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]mercuryblues[div class="excerpt" style="background-color:#f0f0f0; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-top:none; border-radius:0em 0em 0.4615em 0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]her voting record

Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
Rated 89% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)
Provide benefits to domestic partners of Federal employees

http://ontheissues.org/hillary_clinton.htm#Civil_Rights

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4]I didn't mention her voting record at all. Or her HRC rating (which is still lower than Bernies rating.)

But despite not addressing one thing that I actually said (and quoted above as proof), you then claim I misrepresented facts (Which I have proven I did not) and then you said what I said was disproven when you did no such thing:[/font]

[div class="excerpt" style="background-color:#dcdcdc; padding-bottom:5px; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-bottom:none; border-radius:0.4615em 0.4615em 0em 0em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]mercuryblues[div class="excerpt" style="background-color:#f0f0f0; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-top:none; border-radius:0em 0em 0.4615em 0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]You misrepresented the facts to suit your bias. When your 1st paragraph was easily disproven, I consider the rest of what you wrote also subject to your bias.

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4]Again, you didn't disprove a word I said because you didn't address a word I said. Further, I have proven that everything that I did say was 100% true and factual.

The person who is using alternative facts to suit their bias is not me, but you. Maybe before accusing someone of misrepresenting things and being biased you should take a long look in the mirror.
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[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4]That said, debating Hillary Clinton's less than pristine record on the issue of SSM was not and is not my intention. In fact, I was trying to avoid using her or Bernie Sanders names entirely because I didn't this discussion to become about them. My point was voting for someone who is in favor of curtailing some of your rights for the greater good.

Which is why I am glad you brought up her voting history because that only further proves the point I am making. The video of her calling marriage a union of one man and one woman is from where she was actually arguing against making a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage.

You see she was doing the very thing I advocated for: Compromising on part of an issue for the greater good. She was denouncing ever legalizing gay marriage but arguing that if states want to do so they should be allowed to legalize it (ie for states rights). She threw marriage equality under the bus in order to protect states rights.

She and Bill did a similar thing on Don't Ask Don't tell. They campaigned on allowing homosexuals to be allowed into the military, but support for that was nil. In fact, many people in legislature were working on a bill to specifically discriminate against homosexuals in the military. What did she and Bill do?

They passed Don't Ask Don't Tell as a compromise legislation:[/font]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_ask,_don%27t_tell#Origin

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4]She did exactly what advocated in my post, checking your ego at the desk and taking a compromise position for the greater good.[/font]
Good question. I'll await the answers. boston bean Apr 2017 #1
You and me both mercuryblues Apr 2017 #3
I am willing to give up left turn on red. pangaia Apr 2017 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author VOX Apr 2017 #2
It's only women's rights that are negotiable. athena Apr 2017 #4
+1 mercuryblues Apr 2017 #5
Same sort of situation in my mind. Zing Zing Zingbah Apr 2017 #16
Of course not n/t mercuryblues Apr 2017 #40
If you were actual human beings instead of incubators & ornaments, it wouldn't be an issue Orrex Apr 2017 #47
If the Republicans keep getting elected NobodyHere Apr 2017 #6
there is that attempt at shaming mercuryblues Apr 2017 #12
If you are so anxious to see the party adopt GOP positions? BainsBane Apr 2017 #24
+1 hamsterjill Apr 2017 #55
I'd rather vote for someone who agrees with me 75% of the time NobodyHere Apr 2017 #62
So women'd rights get thrown under the bus? csziggy Apr 2017 #25
Because it was always about priviledge BainsBane Apr 2017 #26
Yes indeed. For some, when actually called upon to take a stand on this issue... Orrex Apr 2017 #48
and to work furiously to normalize BainsBane Apr 2017 #56
Yes indeed. Quite chilling. (nt) Orrex Apr 2017 #58
We are losing them right now NobodyHere Apr 2017 #63
That's certainly a new way to rationalize a dramatic lack of convictions. LanternWaste Apr 2017 #61
None. tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #8
Thank you mercuryblues Apr 2017 #13
The fact that there is even... tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #14
Glad you posted this...cheers. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #9
K & R!!!! 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2017 #10
K&R too. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #11
Not one. shraby Apr 2017 #15
Still nothing, eh? boston bean Apr 2017 #17
The democratic party is not supporting any candidates who are vowing to restrict reproductive rights killbotfactory Apr 2017 #18
"Can we focus on expanding rights" musette_sf Apr 2017 #19
It's not a trade-off killbotfactory Apr 2017 #37
Womens right are subverted mercuryblues Apr 2017 #45
Womens rights will not ne subverted by economically progressive ideas. Nt killbotfactory Apr 2017 #60
K&R! nt JTFrog Apr 2017 #20
One right I will never give up is the right to trash threads, including this one. Jersey Devil Apr 2017 #21
don't let the door mercuryblues Apr 2017 #42
My vote will always go to whatever weakens the power of Republicans cheapdate Apr 2017 #22
that's not the issue BainsBane Apr 2017 #28
My home state (TN) is completely controlled by lunatic Republicans. cheapdate Apr 2017 #35
By doing this mercuryblues Apr 2017 #43
The problem is the calls for unity come from those BainsBane Apr 2017 #23
Thank you! MLAA Apr 2017 #27
Difficult. EthanBlue Apr 2017 #29
My most passionate issues is LGBTQ rights LostOne4Ever Apr 2017 #30
Outstanding response! beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #32
Thank you. n/t QC Apr 2017 #33
Where's the rec button? Lordquinton Apr 2017 #36
That response deserves its own separate OP/thread. n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #38
Brilliant post. Kentonio Apr 2017 #39
Very well said Bettie Apr 2017 #41
Here is her platform on LBGTQ rights mercuryblues Apr 2017 #44
Thank you. Kaye_NY Apr 2017 #52
So what you are saying is that when the facts don't suit your opinion you wont listen? LostOne4Ever Apr 2017 #65
Yes her full throated support has been impressive.... Egnever Apr 2017 #59
+1 beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #71
Everything I stated is a verifiable fact and nothing was misrepresented and I will prove it. LostOne4Ever Apr 2017 #64
Another excellent response, thank you! beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #70
No, thank YOU for the support! It is very much appreciated! Nt LostOne4Ever Apr 2017 #85
You're very welcome. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #93
An excellent response. Thank you. -- When they go low, we go high! NurseJackie Apr 2017 #66
You go high by totally misrepresenting facts and telling untruths? That is not the high road. nt LostOne4Ever Apr 2017 #67
I can tell you that I haven't had a post removed in this thread... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #69
Good qualifer Lordquinton Apr 2017 #79
Isn't it? Nt LostOne4Ever Apr 2017 #86
Neither have I. LostOne4Ever Apr 2017 #83
LOL NurseJackie Apr 2017 #88
... Lordquinton Apr 2017 #91
*snort* beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #92
From the link you referred us to: Curmudgeoness Apr 2017 #78
Great points! LostOne4Ever Apr 2017 #84
A reminder LostOne4Ever Apr 2017 #89
APPLAUSE excellent retrowire Apr 2017 #81
The TRUTH will set you free! Nt LostOne4Ever Apr 2017 #87
Glad to see there is still some sanity afoot DefenseLawyer Apr 2017 #90
In just 100 days many rights have been put on the chopping block MedusaX Apr 2017 #31
But are Democrats mercuryblues Apr 2017 #46
Instead of giving up, I'll trade padfun Apr 2017 #34
As Democrats why would we want to give up any of those hard fought rights? SticksnStones Apr 2017 #49
Thank you for saying it so perfectly. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #50
No back alleys and Skidmore Apr 2017 #51
I will never vote for an anti-choice candidate. CrispyQ Apr 2017 #53
I'm not giving up any of my rights. hamsterjill Apr 2017 #54
I generally maintain that all rights are inalienable rock Apr 2017 #57
Mine have already been taken loyalsister Apr 2017 #68
Kick Squinch Apr 2017 #72
Kick Squinch Apr 2017 #73
Kick Squinch Apr 2017 #74
Kick Squinch Apr 2017 #75
I'm bookmarking this thread to be used as a reply to anyone who defends that shit about Squinch Apr 2017 #76
Excellent idea. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #77
K and r. nt cwydro Apr 2017 #80
K & f'n R !! musette_sf Apr 2017 #82
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