I have tried to be neutral for the good of the party, but when I hear that Bernie

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97. ontheissues.org - Joe Manchin - "Pro-life; pro-NRA; anti-EPA " - Tim Kaine is pro-life too

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First off, sorry to take so long in responding, this is literally the first time I've been able to log-on since posting.

For Sanders (who caucuses with the Democratic Party) Elizabeth Warrren and other well known Lefties in (or allied to) the Party, there seemed to be some demanded vote swapping from the powers-that-be in our party. I feel that Sanders support for that mayoral candidate is more of the same. Since Clinton's people said the South was "Clinton Country" and they rejected Sanders, I imagine that plays a part too.

We will NOT "suck it up". Do NOT EVER make thus demand of us.

I DID NOT DEMAND THAT YOU VOTE THAT WAY. That is what the "any Democratic Candidate is better than a Republican" people said in the last election when promoting the ticket with anti-abortion VP candidate Kaine. I'm not going to vote for my homophobic mayor unless there's a run off. Once again, I DON'T LIKE CONSERVADEMS. What some people here call "purity tests" I call minimum standards. Why should any Democratic voter back conservative Republican plans?

Wendy Davis was not pretending to be a Republican

She was too cautious, very carefully trying not to appear "too liberal" in order to win her election, IMO. I'm worried by Ossoff's cautious general public appearances that he might be as well. His only general public appearance that I've seen he talked about foreign policy in a way that didn't really differentiate his positions from a generic moderate politician (Republican or Democratic). Part of being "not too liberal" would be avoiding Senator Sanders like the plague.

O'Malley did not do damage to the party or the base, he did not lie yo the, he did not foster distrust through conspiracy theories, he did not go on RT and push this bike stuff.

I've been a Democrat since I could vote, and I don't feel the same way that you do about Senator Sanders. I imagine you don't share my opinion about former Secretary Clinton either. What you stated is an opinion, not fact.

That whole "we must not be rigid about women's basic rights"thing is infuriating and supporting a guy who sponsored a 20 week ban and forced ultrasounds? Utterly disgusting.

I absolutely agree 100% with you here. If I wanted shitty Republican (or Taliban) policies I would vote or move accordingly. To me the only way a Democratic candidate should be "pro-life" is by:

Opposing the death penalty. (Death penalty opponents were the first to use the term "pro-life" - they didn't assassinate anyone either)

Demanding Full and complete sex education.

Making birth control readily and easily available.

No abortion bans should ever be backed by a Democratic candidate or office-holder; even if they are supported by former Secretary Clinton or Senator Sanders.

Anyone who says this or supports such people deserves the anger and the blame for what they have chosen to support.

So who in our party Leadershiphas condemned the anti-abortion asshat? or my mayor for that matter? There is a certain amount of leadership in our party that just want numbers and don't care how they get them or what they do with the power that they wield in our name.

This is deliberate behavior that seeks to irritate, inflame and denigrate the base of the party, the women.

I think some people that blame Sanders for Trump really want to see it this way. That doesn't make it true.

Troubling as Mello's views on abortion are and upsetting as his past is, Hogue, Doyle, and others may have a difficult time convincing anyone who didn't already share their views of Sanders, that their grievances are not motivated by personal bias. That is because Mello's evolution on the issue of women's health closely mirrors that of another prominent Democrat—one supported and elevated by Hillary Clinton.

In September, Clinton's VP pick, Sen. Tim Kaine (D-VA) told NPR, “I don't think my job as a public official is to make everybody else follow the Catholic Church's teaching, whatever their religious background or lack of a religious background.”

Kaine had raised some eyebrows given his support for the Hyde Amendment and the fact that as recently as 2011, the Senator supported outlawing contraception. He had also supported a ban on partial-birth abortions, promoting abstinence, and requiring—of course—“informed consent” for those seeking abortions as well as parental consent for minors. During his time as Virginia's Governor, Kaine was instrumental in the passage of the state's “informed consent” law, stating at the time that the measure would give “women information about a whole series of things, the health consequences, etc. and information about adoption.”

Given that in 2008, Clinton said abortions should be “safe, legal, and rare,” and in 2015, told reporters she could compromise on abortion if the mother's health were accounted for—and given that Kaine was not the first anti-abortion Democrat she elevated (in 2006, she campaigned for Bob Casey, who would later return the favor, becoming one of her surrogates in 2016)—one would have expected vocal opposition to the VP pick as it could have easily be taken as a sign of her tepid commitment on the issue of reproductive rights despite her platform.

However, Hogue and company gave deference to the Democratic nominee.

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/04/clinton-feminists-ignore-hillarys-endorsements-of.html