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193. We disagree on the definition of "dismiss."

Wed Apr 26, 2017, 07:00 PM

Apr 2017

"Once you get off of the social issues abortion, gay rights, guns and into the economic issues, here is a lot more agreement than the pundits understand." Bernie Sanders, July 9, 2015
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/weekend-with-bernie-sanders-20150709

Get off? "social issues" and not "healthcare and basic employment protections that are integral to any economic justice?"

“These are guys getting hung up on gay marriage issues,” Sanders told Schultz. “They’re getting hung up on abortion issues. And it is time we started focusing on the economic issues that bring us together: Defending Social Security, defending Medicare, making sure that Medicaid is not cut, that veterans’ programs are not cut.” Bernie Sanders 2013

ttp://www.rawstory.com/2013/10/bernie-sanders-tells-ed-schultz-southern-democrats-are-tired-of-being-abandoned-by-the-party/

"Getting hung up?"

Of course if you are someone who supports the criminalization of abortion - against the consensus of all the mainstream medical organizations, well, that might not seem like such a bad thing to "prioritize" lower.

Right?

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Ken Burch Apr 2017 OP

Seems legit. dchill Apr 2017 #1

who is Warren Buffett voting for. He is a Democrat that likes to make Jim Beard Apr 2017 #106

He is also pro choice and has given to Planned Parenthood Alice11111 Apr 2017 #131

I thought the primaries ended last summer. Voltaire2 Apr 2017 #2

Me too. But some people are STILL campaigning against Bernie Ken Burch Apr 2017 #5

You are right KB, we ALL need to accept the fact Hillary lost to Trump. NOT Bernie! JoeOtterbein Apr 2017 #24

Bernie might want to check what his consituents think of him right now ehrnst Apr 2017 #66

Still the highest In the Senate karynnj Apr 2017 #104

All the Senators topping this list have small, white, primarily rural homogenous populations ehrnst Apr 2017 #189

Gas lighting doesn't work here, we can read Sanders RECENT statements and still think they're shitty uponit7771 Apr 2017 #28

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #65

Gas lighting is in the running for the most useless fad word. Nt karynnj Apr 2017 #105

Its valid here, people are questioning the ire at Sanders as if there were no unfair bashing of the uponit7771 Apr 2017 #116

Buzzwords and bumpersticker slogans only work the first Exilednight Apr 2017 #152

Yep karynnj Apr 2017 #157

Gaslighting for the left... (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #190

Yes, they are still campaigning. zentrum Apr 2017 #40

Kaine has a 100% rating from NARAL lapucelle Apr 2017 #203

Oh God, okay... zentrum Apr 2017 #212

I'm disputing the Kaine - Mello lapucelle Apr 2017 #215

I know. zentrum Apr 2017 #218

He's been made outreach director of the Democrats. Last I heard, this board is called ehrnst Apr 2017 #64

He is still the highest of any Senator in that poll. Nt karynnj Apr 2017 #107

Among his constituents. All the top Senators in that list are from small, very homogenous ehrnst Apr 2017 #110

He is strongest in the most diverse, progressive town in the state karynnj Apr 2017 #115

He's the most popular Dem senator in his home state of all. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #119

You're right, the Dem primaries were over months ago but this pro-lifer was... brush Apr 2017 #117

Actually, Sanders also endorsed lapucelle Apr 2017 #209

You have nothing to say on his failure to endorse Ossoff for an immediate House seat? brush Apr 2017 #217

I've been saying a lot about it on other threads. lapucelle Apr 2017 #219

Burn him at the stake. Alice11111 Apr 2017 #132

But Bernie does not have the all important "D" behind his name. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #3

Even though he's more of a Democrat mac56 Apr 2017 #8

Which begs the question of who defines what a Democrat is. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #9

In what ways? (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #111

That's got npthing to do with it.. it's his divisive Cha Apr 2017 #27

There are many issues that divide Democrats. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #80

BS gets on TV all the time to Insult the Dems.. big Cha Apr 2017 #98

Some see division, some see needed critical analysis. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #100

As with Bernie's statements relegating women's health to a "social issue" ehrnst Apr 2017 #113

The Democrats unity tour fractured into disunity almost immediately after it began. Senator Bernie Cha Apr 2017 #130

Given that there can be many possible definitions of what progressive means, guillaumeb Apr 2017 #169

So if Ted Cruz said he was progressive, you would agree? ehrnst Apr 2017 #198

Obviously for Our Revolution, lapucelle Apr 2017 #210

Elizabeth Warren also endorsed Perriello. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #211

I have no problem calling Warren out on both this lapucelle Apr 2017 #213

Not in terms of social justice issues. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #112

I believe that Sanders ranks the issues differently. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #120

We disagree on the definition of "dismiss." ehrnst Apr 2017 #193

Bernie SAYS he's not a Democrat. Why shouldn't we believe him? n/t pnwmom Apr 2017 #41

I am a believer in socialism, and describe myself that way. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #81

The post I was responding to was addressing the question of whether Bernie pnwmom Apr 2017 #92

I feel that his criticism is intended to be constructive. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #99

That's probably his intention but the effect is more often destructive.It lends to the misperception pnwmom Apr 2017 #101

AN excellent point, and I agree. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #102

You mean like "dismiss" them as a distraction to the "universal" ehrnst Apr 2017 #194

Class and economic issues affect everyone. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #204

No, but it does disqualify you as a Democratic Candidate if you disagree with the platform. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #114

But US parties are NOT parliamentary style parties. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #122

I didn't say that they were. ehrnst Apr 2017 #195

If Cruz had a "D" behind his name, would he be considered one? guillaumeb Apr 2017 #205

My ideology is Democratic Socialist too. I always vote Dem, Alice11111 Apr 2017 #133

Why didn't he campaign for Ossoff to get an immediate House seat... brush Apr 2017 #47

I would agree that he could have done both. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #82

Why didn't the DNC? nt Kirkwood Apr 2017 #153

Who is the outreach chairman? brush Apr 2017 #155

So Bernie decides who the DNC supports and who they don't? Kirkwood Apr 2017 #160

So you don't think helping Ossoff gain a US House seat falls under the outreach ... brush Apr 2017 #164

The selection and omission are definitely deliberate ehrnst Apr 2017 #196

I'll say. Because as Outreach director, he's tasked ehrnst Apr 2017 #182

Tom Perez went to Georgia in fact and did campaign with Ossoff... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #168

We're talking about going before the primary election, not after. nt Kirkwood Apr 2017 #171

Which primary? (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #173

No, the division is the sin treestar Apr 2017 #75

And the same holds for W. Virginia, and Missouri. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #83

So why does he rail against Dems with a progressive record that casts a single vote ehrnst Apr 2017 #199

I cannot answer for Sanders. Obviously. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #206

Imagine if we extended that sort of understanding to a presidential election ehrnst Apr 2017 #174

Being outside the DNC establishment is also a sin he commited. romanic Apr 2017 #118

In what way is he "outside the Democratic establishment"? ehrnst Apr 2017 #175

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #176

Can you be more specific? (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #178

This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Apr 2017 #184

Sen Sanders is not a Democrat. musette_sf Apr 2017 #125

His current party affiliation is all one needs to believe this. ehrnst Apr 2017 #180

The Primary is over SirBrockington Apr 2017 #4

Agreed. Which means that no one should be vilifying the guy any more Ken Burch Apr 2017 #6

No one should criticize him because it might drive him away. To where? Demit Apr 2017 #15

Good grief! He said "vilify" not "criticize". cheapdate Apr 2017 #29

I agree that they are different words. They even have different letters! Demit Apr 2017 #46

Make honest arguments and I'll unstick the cap-lock. Deal? cheapdate Apr 2017 #54

But the poster didn't specify that they made a distinction. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #187

It was unequivocally a direct reply to the post that preceded it. cheapdate Apr 2017 #216

There is a difference between "vilifying" and legitimate criticism. moriah Apr 2017 #97

I don't think that critiquing him on his current job is "vilifying" or 'refighting the primary: ehrnst Apr 2017 #185

Biden is not in the Senate. Nt karynnj Apr 2017 #108

Biden isn't VP or Senator anymore as of January. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #186

you have posted this several times and each time it has been pointed out to be inaccurate dsc Apr 2017 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Apr 2017 #13

So you would accept that logic on banning a minimum wage dsc Apr 2017 #17

What matters is that Bernie didn't endorse Mello when the guy was doing those things. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #18

I have no problem with him endorsing Mello dsc Apr 2017 #19

+1, I don't like the ideological purism except when it comes to social issues folk. If Mello looked uponit7771 Apr 2017 #26

Mello voted for a law that denied insurance for abortion, and a 20 week ban...so Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #94

So now, Bernie is OK with things that people voted for in the past? ehrnst Apr 2017 #188

Oh, so, if he had made a protest vote wouldn't have made a difference? ehrnst Apr 2017 #67

What about this? Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #72

Yes, you are right. This is a TERRIBLE candidate, and look who is endorsing him Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #103

It's the selection and deliberate omission in who earns the blessing of "progressive" ehrnst Apr 2017 #197

Yes he did actually vote to restrict choice. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #95

He voted for a 20 week ban. That is a deal breaker. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #109

+1 La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2017 #37

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #10

not representing truth Cane4Dems Apr 2017 #11

Clearly not. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #192

Not factual. sheshe2 Apr 2017 #12

Well.... sheshe2 Apr 2017 #14

There were two candidates in this race. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #20

First of all sheshe2 Apr 2017 #22

I called Mello's campaign office rpannier Apr 2017 #31

Happy to say that voting for them is not a 'choice' sheshe2 Apr 2017 #36

How very nuanced of you rpannier Apr 2017 #38

!!! Alice11111 Apr 2017 #135

Bernie said Jane Kleeb NE D party chair called him Omaha Steve Apr 2017 #140

not doubting it rpannier Apr 2017 #141

I agree we shouldn't be dwelling on the Omaha mayor's race. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author tammywammy Apr 2017 #51

I agree that it is being used as a catalyst ehrnst Apr 2017 #70

There can be no economic justice without Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #73

I AGREE with you that there can be no economic justice WITHOUT social justice. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #138

I wish that was the actual thinking, but the reality is, when you say ehrnst Apr 2017 #151

I'm not dismissing any of that myself. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #170

Nebraska has a split electoral system. In 2008, we got 1 blue vote Alice11111 Apr 2017 #136

We do need to understand what the actual mistakes were before ehrnst Apr 2017 #172

I'll answer one of your questions. Exilednight Apr 2017 #158

So, why did Bernie choose this particular race and not the GA 6 to draw attention to? ehrnst Apr 2017 #68

Jane Kleeb from Our Revolution is the chair of the Nebraska Democratic party. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #96

Ah, the one who went on about how we can have pro-forced birth Democrats.. ehrnst Apr 2017 #143

That is the one. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #146

They are equating "pro-choice" with "pro-abortion," and "pro-life" with a moral stance ehrnst Apr 2017 #150

Yes which is why I looked at the voting records of both Mello and Perriello (VA Governor's race) Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #154

And interestingly enough Perriello "the true progressive" is taking dark money ehrnst Apr 2017 #156

I know...everything that the former party Purists complained about ...Perriello does...but for Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #161

And with anti-choice votes on his record, but still strongly endorsed. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #162

I don't know why Bernie made the choices that he made there. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #137

will energize progressives and encourage strong candidates to run in 2018 Omaha Steve Apr 2017 #142

Why was Bernie compelled to say something about a mayoral race in NE? Zing Zing Zingbah Apr 2017 #129

So where was Bernie in the Ossoff race, rather than pointedly refusing to call him a progressive. ehrnst Apr 2017 #191

I honestly don't know what he was thinking there. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #208

No it was not identical and you know that. boston bean Apr 2017 #16

There were many much more pro-choice people HRC could have put on the ticket. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #48

"Tim Kaine is pro-choice, not pro-death" Cha Apr 2017 #50

Mello has pledged that, as mayor, he will effectively defend choice. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #53

Omaha Mayoral Candidate Under Fire For Anti-Choice Past Vows To Protect Reproductive Rights Cha Apr 2017 #56

You could have done all that without accusing Bernie of selling you out. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #57

Women's BackLash, Against Mello, Worked! Cha Apr 2017 #58

This was all set in motion by Bernie's selective endorsements ehrnst Apr 2017 #71

I do consider it a sell out of women's rights. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #74

But it's the deliberate refusal to call Ossoff progressive, in a race that is far more ehrnst Apr 2017 #200

OK, I think he should have and should still call Ossoff progressive Ken Burch Apr 2017 #207

Actually, Kaine got a 100% from NARAL ehrnst Apr 2017 #69

Yup. Thank You eom Arazi Apr 2017 #21

Wow... 3 Threads On The Same Subject In A Matter Of Hours Me. Apr 2017 #23

I know SCantiGOP Apr 2017 #25

By The Same Poster No Less Me. Apr 2017 #34

I know, right? Because DU rules specify sharing only one article on a topic per member ehrnst Apr 2017 #144

Probably because this topic became the issue du joir for like 3 days in a row rpannier Apr 2017 #32

I Get That Me. Apr 2017 #159

ERMEGERD - did you see all the Ivanka in Berlin posts in as many hours???? ehrnst Apr 2017 #201

Totally Me. Apr 2017 #202

Defense of alt left hero. La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2017 #45

Bernie Sanders is not a democrat LostinRed Apr 2017 #30

And I am guessing, this will go on for another billion rpannier Apr 2017 #33

Saw the vid clip of Tom Perez shouting Bernie, Bernie, Bernie? Guess dae Apr 2017 #42

Perhaps some background might soften your view... perhaps not. This is being left out of the JudyM Apr 2017 #78

How many times are you going to sum up murielm99 Apr 2017 #35

How many times does it take to make a lie into a reality La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2017 #44

That is FALSE and you know it. Tim Kaine has never taken these positions: pnwmom Apr 2017 #39

Some people will lie through their teeth to defend their hero La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2017 #43

good god... chillfactor Apr 2017 #52

And next... fleabiscuit Apr 2017 #55

Kaine has a solid pro-choice voting record. Mello does not. emulatorloo Apr 2017 #59

Tim Kaine had the same positions as the Candidate for Mayor of Omaha in some matters... LovingA2andMI Apr 2017 #60

Yeah. Or people are lying about tim Kaine La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2017 #61

Not on women. Tim Kaine never voted against women - he got 100% from NARAL. ehrnst Apr 2017 #63

Kaine has a solid pro-choice voting record. Mello doesn't emulatorloo Apr 2017 #76

Yes....Bernie Is Capable of Defending Himself... LovingA2andMI Apr 2017 #79

I would vote for Mello if I lived in Omaha. But I don't need to misrepresent Kaine's voting record. emulatorloo Apr 2017 #84

Was Tim Kaine PREVIOUSLY.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2017 #85

He's got a 100% rating from Naral. He has a solid Pro-choice record, Mello doesn't. emulatorloo Apr 2017 #86

PREVIOUSLY....Defined Means.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2017 #87

"Promoting" adoption doesn't restrict access to safe and legal abortion. emulatorloo Apr 2017 #88

"promoting adoption and abstinence-focused education" LovingA2andMI Apr 2017 #89

"How do you feel about not allowing insurance to cover abortion" emulatorloo Apr 2017 #91

Nope. Tim Kaine never voted against women - he got 100% from NARAL. ehrnst Apr 2017 #62

And this must not go unpunished. n/t Orsino Apr 2017 #77

Sick of the condescending mansplaing and nondemocrat complaining about dems. we can do it Apr 2017 #90

Doesn't mansplaining suggest that men's opinions don't really count? FiveGoodMen Apr 2017 #139

Let me know when Tim Kaine's voting record looks like gestational slaver Mello: musette_sf Apr 2017 #93

No. That's incomplete. And you know it. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #121

The pro-corporate wing of the party is scared that his economic message will destroy their funding. killbotfactory Apr 2017 #123

Bingo. n/t QC Apr 2017 #134

That is nonsense. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #147

Abortion rights will only get thrown under the bus if you let republicans win. Nt killbotfactory Apr 2017 #166

Sorry...endorsing an anti-choice candidate shows a willingness to shelve reproductive rights Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #167

"will not work to restrict choice" musette_sf Apr 2017 #124

Because Senator Sanders has NEVER castigated someone on the basis of their past votes ehrnst Apr 2017 #145

No betrayal. elleng Apr 2017 #126

So we become a 50 state party by throwing civil rights under the bus... Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #149

No such thing. elleng Apr 2017 #163

I heard his words...about pro-choice ...and the normalization movement of of anti-choice candidates Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #165

Long past time for the Bernie bashing to stop left-of-center2012 Apr 2017 #127

Long past time, for some to understand that when Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #148

Tim Kaine has a 100% rating from NARAL, lapucelle Apr 2017 #128

Keep beating that dead horse a bit longer...nt comradebillyboy Apr 2017 #177

And that whole Keystone XL Pipeline thing? Blue_Tires Apr 2017 #179

Not sure where you're going with that question Ken Burch Apr 2017 #181

But Tim Kaine never sponsored a bill to restrict (via sensationalism, i.e., ultrasounds) abortion. George II Apr 2017 #183

And so did Elizabeth Warren............. guillaumeb Apr 2017 #214

Yet 220 replies. Dorian Gray Apr 2017 #220

Self-deleting this thread because I did more harm than good in posting it. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #221