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Crunchy Frog

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150. It's primarily done for cultural and social reasons.

Thu Apr 27, 2017, 12:54 AM

Apr 2017

If it were done primarily for health reasons, it would be common practice in all medically advanced countries, rather than being largely confined to the United States and the highly circumcised U.S. would have significantly better sexual health, and lower incidences of diseases it's alleged to prevent. This does not appear to be borne out by actual health statistics in the developed world.

I would be willing to bet that the cites are almost all American, and come from people who share the same cultural, social, and religious biases.

Barbarism is extremely subjective, and very much in the eye of the beholder.

"Barbaric" was the word used by one of my sons' NICU nurses, after I let her know I didn't want it done. She told me she actually passed out the first time she witnessed one.

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Female genital mutilation procedure 'hurted a lot,' child says [View all] Mosby Apr 2017 OP

It's 2017 and we still have Neanderthals walking among us. LOL Lib Apr 2017 #1

I don't think Neanderthals did this to their children. Vesper Apr 2017 #88

Good point. LOL Lib Apr 2017 #95

I have no idea why people feel the need to slice of their kids genital tissue, or why Vesper Apr 2017 #98

Fuck these idiots who think this is ok nilesobek Apr 2017 #152

Neanderthals are not thought to have done this - I think you should retract. Yo_Mama Apr 2017 #134

Duly noted...my apologies to any Neanderthals that may have been offended. LOL Lib Apr 2017 #149

I am so sickened by this ProudLib72 Apr 2017 #2

Their sale value goes up when a complete lack of pleasure in sex is thrown in Warpy Apr 2017 #128

My heart goes out to this little girl. A horrible thing has been done to her, and at age SEVEN. CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2017 #3

A clear message must be sent to these assholes fun n serious Apr 2017 #4

I'm normally against the death penalty... Initech Apr 2017 #60

I think that those male doctors should be castrated along with their penis Pachamama Apr 2017 #127

I'm with you on this. JudyM Apr 2017 #143

vile sickening ignorance MFM008 Apr 2017 #5

the parents need to face charges also JI7 Apr 2017 #6

Millions of girls are subjected to this every year. Barbaric. grossproffit Apr 2017 #7

and boys. I just do not understand the whole circumcision thing. Vesper Apr 2017 #9

Circumcised men can still have orgasms. Circumcised women can not. No comparison. grossproffit Apr 2017 #10

So if the function remains intact, it's okay to mutilate little kids against their will? Vesper Apr 2017 #11

when one pretends two things are similar when they are not, it's incredibly dishonest La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2017 #13

They actually literally are. They both remove tissue from the genitals of little kids who have no Vesper Apr 2017 #17

they actually literally are not in the impact they have on the lives of the kids. La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2017 #20

Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #96

if you are serious, educate yourself obamanut2012 Apr 2017 #46

I think you need to educate yourself. I'm 100% wrong to say genital mutilation is wrong? Vesper Apr 2017 #94

Cut it out. tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #84

I will not be bullied into silence by people who defend genital mutilation if it's done Vesper Apr 2017 #93

ROFL! tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #99

Disease also "mutilates". You are not engaging with the medical reality Yo_Mama Apr 2017 #141

No, they "actually literally" are not. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2017 #103

Actually, I'm LITERALLY arguing that they're all bad, I'm LITERALLY not ignoring either point Vesper Apr 2017 #108

I did actually literally read what you actually literally wrote. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2017 #160

I would like one thread... obamanut2012 Apr 2017 #45

+1 tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #83

It's the difference between getting hit by a motorcycle and getting hit by a SUV forjusticethunders Apr 2017 #104

There's no equivalency whatsoever between FGM and circumcision. EL34x4 Apr 2017 #12

There is literally equivalency in cutting of genitals. Vesper Apr 2017 #18

you are wrong on both the social aspects of misogyny and the science. La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2017 #23

they are quite aware they are wrong obamanut2012 Apr 2017 #47

That is a false and offensive comparison Orrex Apr 2017 #25

i'd rec your post if i could! La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2017 #37

:hi: Orrex Apr 2017 #39

THANK YOU Stargazer99 Apr 2017 #68

Sad that it has to be spelled out, isn't it? (nt) Orrex Apr 2017 #72

I've already explained why the defense of any mutilation of children's genitals is offensive. Vesper Apr 2017 #76

It's funny that you claim to "get it" while repeatedly demonstrating that you do not Orrex Apr 2017 #80

Exactly. Female mutilation would be equivalent to removing the penis in a male, and still_one Apr 2017 #135

No, a better comparison would be ear-piercing versus cutting off an ear. Yo_Mama Apr 2017 #137

More like cutting off the earlobe, rupturing the tympanic membrane and... demmiblue Apr 2017 #138

Just fucking stop it leftynyc Apr 2017 #14

+1 La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2017 #21

No, just fucking understand the bias here and learn the science and stop emoting. Vesper Apr 2017 #24

Somehow I can distinguish between having my foreskin removed and my whole penis hacked off. Orrex Apr 2017 #26

There is NO bias leftynyc Apr 2017 #27

There is a bias, there is no medical reason for circumcision, that's a myth. Vesper Apr 2017 #32

The problem with bias is that when you're suffering from it, you don't realize it Ms. Toad Apr 2017 #40

I did some research, which is why I'm making the argument that genital mutilation is barbaric. Vesper Apr 2017 #66

Oh spare me the drama queen bullshit leftynyc Apr 2017 #51

And you seem to be trying to pretend it is a competition instead of two barbaric acts. Egnever Apr 2017 #56

Then start a thread about it leftynyc Apr 2017 #61

Again you seem to want to pretend that both can't be bad Egnever Apr 2017 #73

You quite simply aren't worth my time leftynyc Apr 2017 #74

The last refuge of a weak argument Egnever Apr 2017 #75

You simply have no argument and your defense of mutilation in certain circumstances is indefensible. Vesper Apr 2017 #79

I don't understand why people feel the need to attack me for saying cutting little kids is wrong Vesper Apr 2017 #78

The reason you're being attacked Manly_Scream Apr 2017 #147

I don't need you tell me what to do to protest the mutilation of children. Vesper Apr 2017 #82

The site you link to calls the Holocaust a hoax, claims "vaccination is child abuse" and has an Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #156

Male circumcision is primarily done for health reasons and does provide benefit. Yo_Mama Apr 2017 #140

It's primarily done for cultural and social reasons. Crunchy Frog Apr 2017 #150

I cannot spare you the behavior you choose to engage in, so if your dramatics bother Vesper Apr 2017 #70

Yawwwwwnnnnnn leftynyc Apr 2017 #107

Yawning doesn't make the things you said and the mutilation you defend any less reprehensible. Vesper Apr 2017 #109

Yawwwwwwnnnnn leftynyc Apr 2017 #112

Doctors at the Mayo clinic do not back up the dramatic bullshit you've referred to here, Vesper Apr 2017 #120

Try actually reading the leftynyc Apr 2017 #157

It's like comparing piercing a child's ears and lobbing off the entire ear. That's the difference. manicraven Apr 2017 #136

There are very significant health benefits to male circumcision - here are sources. Yo_Mama Apr 2017 #139

I AM CRYING BITTER TEARS OF PRIVILEGE IN YOUR HONOR obamanut2012 Apr 2017 #49

Seems like the bitter tears of privilege are your own. Vesper Apr 2017 #71

You are the one who is distorting the science. There are significant health benefits Yo_Mama Apr 2017 #142

What I wonder at, is the apparent lack of research in means of attaining the same benefits Crunchy Frog Apr 2017 #151

Thank you. Orrex Apr 2017 #30

There are reasons leftynyc Apr 2017 #31

Yeah, but those reasons are not medical or scientific. Vesper Apr 2017 #34

yawn obamanut2012 Apr 2017 #50

The vast majority of doctors leftynyc Apr 2017 #55

Actually, most cases of foreskin tightness can be treated nonsurgically. Crunchy Frog Apr 2017 #101

Truth. Orrex Apr 2017 #36

What I find telling is this persons word choice/fixation on orgasms... demmiblue Apr 2017 #42

The offensive inaccuracy of those invested in their cultural bias is indeed evident. Vesper Apr 2017 #43

You keep pretending that you have factual evidence on your side... Orrex Apr 2017 #58

I don't get how recognizing that both practices are barbaric makes a false comparison. Egnever Apr 2017 #48

The comparson is factually false. Full stop. Orrex Apr 2017 #63

Sorry not buying that argument Egnever Apr 2017 #69

No, you are mispresenting my argument, in several ways Orrex Apr 2017 #77

Don't even think of making the bullshit argument leftynyc Apr 2017 #65

Lot's of might in that Egnever Apr 2017 #67

It's a valid comparison, and the shame is on anyone who clings to the apalling argument that Vesper Apr 2017 #64

It never fails... demmiblue Apr 2017 #15

That people are blinded their bias and react emotionally to simple anatomical and factual Vesper Apr 2017 #29

Because a straight comparison leftynyc Apr 2017 #33

Sorry but no. Vesper Apr 2017 #38

Come back to me when dicks and scrotums are being cut off obamanut2012 Apr 2017 #52

The reactions are somewhat amazing Egnever Apr 2017 #53

No - not bullshit leftynyc Apr 2017 #57

YAWN tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #97

False equivalency.The two are not the same. Aristus Apr 2017 #19

+1 La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2017 #22

Actual equivalency, they're literally the same procedure, the argument people Vesper Apr 2017 #28

Circumcision is a process carried out because of religious covenant, and in recent years, Aristus Apr 2017 #116

There are cultures that do carry it out, there is no medical necessity for mutilating children. Vesper Apr 2017 #117

just stop with this -- i want one thread where we can talk about FGM obamanut2012 Apr 2017 #44

Oh, Lord, here we go. liberalhistorian Apr 2017 #62

So you agree with me, since that is literally what I said and nothing more. Vesper Apr 2017 #81

"It is actually the same procedure as genital mutilation on females" demmiblue Apr 2017 #85

Yup. Vesper Apr 2017 #86

Nope. n/t demmiblue Apr 2017 #87

That brilliant riposte does not address the facts I presented, thus YUP. Vesper Apr 2017 #89

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Post removed Post removed Apr 2017 #125

WOULD YOU PREFER TO HAVE YOUR PENIS CUT OFF OR JUST YOUR FORESKIN? JudyM Apr 2017 #145

Speaking as a woman, and taking into consideration the different levels of severity Crunchy Frog Apr 2017 #153

Right, but neither those procedures, nor choice, is involved here nor in many, many cases. JudyM Apr 2017 #159

ONNTSA stevenleser Apr 2017 #130

I've never seen this shit before, I made a statement that I didn't think was so controversial Vesper Apr 2017 #132

"Trash Thread" is your friend. Crunchy Frog Apr 2017 #154

Throw the book at them. Warren DeMontague Apr 2017 #8

Arrest the parents leftynyc Apr 2017 #16

This CanonRay Apr 2017 #35

She didn't keep records as the article states. Vesper Apr 2017 #41

9 years at DU leftynyc Apr 2017 #59

I missed the nine years part obamanut2012 Apr 2017 #100

Yeah, it's almost like I think people cutting little kids genitals is evil or something. Vesper Apr 2017 #105

More drama queen bullshit leftynyc Apr 2017 #106

First the racism and now the misogyny? Vesper Apr 2017 #110

Because the facts are not against me leftynyc Apr 2017 #111

But they are actually, I haven't seen this link you mention, I have seen the racism that Vesper Apr 2017 #123

Bye Felicia! demmiblue Apr 2017 #113

You're so wrong on this issue, the facts and the abuse of children, I hope you learn some Vesper Apr 2017 #118

Felicia, you don't even know what I think. demmiblue Apr 2017 #119

My name is not Felicia, but your post has made it clear it is not an informed or educated, or Vesper Apr 2017 #121

Blah, blah, blah... demmiblue Apr 2017 #122

This is the most intelligent response yet. Congrats. Vesper Apr 2017 #124

Of course you can't point out that ranting... demmiblue Apr 2017 #126

I'm sorry, what insanity are you accusing me of now? Vesper Apr 2017 #131

I'm stepping out for a musical interlude demmiblue Apr 2017 #133

Records of FGM ExciteBike66 Apr 2017 #102

I think that's how they found this case. Vesper Apr 2017 #115

Examples get the red out Apr 2017 #158

Agreed, they are conspirators treestar Apr 2017 #129

I've been making the same argument since the story surfaced. bullwinkle428 Apr 2017 #146

no charges have been filed against the parents............................. get the red out Apr 2017 #54

The article doesn't say exactly what was done. Mariana Apr 2017 #144

Actually, the article was pretty specific Mosby Apr 2017 #148

Sickening... WoonTars Apr 2017 #91

I just read the title. I can't read the rest because I will want to hurt those that did this to the stevenleser Apr 2017 #92

The pain is not my issue. The oppressive act is. NCTraveler Apr 2017 #114

How come the parents aren't being charged? Laffy Kat Apr 2017 #155