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DFW

(60,182 posts)
11. Not an unlikely source, but rather an obvious source
Thu Apr 27, 2017, 06:06 AM
Apr 2017

I am in France three times a month, have been doing so for decades, and speak the language close to fluently.

Both in France and in Belgium to the north, initiatives and polemics from the far left have been so extreme and misguided that one could almost suspect that there is no real far left here any more, but rather just an SNL routine set up to make the far right look good. What passes for the "moderate" left here would be considered screaming radicalism in the USA, so don't compare the two.

But in a place like Belgium, where the right and left are also somewhat ethnically divided (the French-speaking Wallons tend leftward where the majority Vlaamse tend in the other direction), the left managed to bring in hundred of thousands of Moroccans with practically no integration or settlement guidance other than "becomes citizens, vote for us, and we'll take care of you." Well, they did all but the last part. The only "care" they gave was to grant them immunity from practically all prosecution (in the name of "tolerance&quot and give them greater welfare benefits (in the name of "integration&quot than to European Belgians. The very predictable reaction was for the majority Flemish to develop a seething hate for both the Walloons and the Moroccans, and far right groups suddenly had audiences beyond their wildest dreams.

In France, it was more of a laissez-fare tactic than active coddling, but the effect was the same. The far right, once a fringe movement, suddenly had something they could point their collective fingers at. The French Communist Party was almost mainstream, and was represented in almost every election. You couldn't scare the French with "kommanists."

But when Arabs started beating up cops in "no-go" areas, and then, lately, started attacks with mass murder, Le Pen suddenly had a "you need us" argument (like Cheney after 2001) they never had before. All the French and Belgians had to do was apply the same legal standards to thei new citizens that they applied to everyone else, and the far right would never have gotten a centimeter off the ground. But the more the population got the impression, fanned by sensationalist media, that the left thought that violence was "tolerable," ever higher taxes were needed to build more free housing and, not coincidentally give government functionaries free limos, huge pensions, and other lifetime privileges, and the far right was practically writing thank-you notes to their counterparts on the left for giving them a new lease on life.

It was all so predictable, and many DID predict it. But just like the multitudes that predicted a Trump presidency as being a disaster, the warnings and the accuracy of the predictions still didn't prevent the disaster from happening--at least in the USA. France, who is just coming off a disastrous five year "socialist" presidency, seems to be maintaining a collective cooler head. Hollande and Mélenchon would, you might think, be driving the French voters into Le Pen's waiting arms. I don't think it's gonna happen this time. There are no bigger critics of French politics than the French, themselves, but even though all my friends down there tell me their number one choice this year is "none of the above," not one of them says Le Pen is number two.

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deja vu BainsBane Apr 2017 #1
Seems global. And well orchestrated. boston bean Apr 2017 #2
I've seen that movie. betsuni Apr 2017 #3
It's already running around the clock, 7 days a week. democratisphere Apr 2017 #4
So it's Macron that worries you? Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2017 #10
What do you mean? fun n serious Apr 2017 #12
I'll walk you through it. betsuni Apr 2017 #13
Sorry it's early and pre-coffee for me. Nt Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2017 #14
Of course, the little darlings.. Skidmore Apr 2017 #5
Macron needs to point out JustAnotherGen Apr 2017 #6
Mais oui! Behind the Aegis Apr 2017 #7
Like jill stein LIED her head off to help trump.. a pawn Cha Apr 2017 #8
Hmmm ... just what BlueMTexpat Apr 2017 #9
Not an unlikely source, but rather an obvious source DFW Apr 2017 #11
Thank you for the insight Lee-Lee Apr 2017 #16
Mainstream media here is pretty objective DFW Apr 2017 #39
Thank you! And F the alt left! (or whatever you want to call the pro-Putin, anti-NATO left) Ezior Apr 2017 #20
Both of you are giving accounts that make me fear for the future of Europe Lee-Lee Apr 2017 #26
The seeds ARE here. But so far, except for Hungary, they are mostly dormant. DFW Apr 2017 #40
Germany is a different situation DFW Apr 2017 #48
Pretty much no difference between the far left and far right anymore. JTFrog Apr 2017 #15
Yep, useful for drumpfuck Cha Apr 2017 #21
I don't look at them much at all, DFW Apr 2017 #49
Same here. I can't begin to understand it though. nt JTFrog Apr 2017 #51
I don't think rational thinkers do. You either immerse yourself in their mindset..... DFW Apr 2017 #52
Difficult bucolic_frolic Apr 2017 #17
To be fair, Macron was secretary of whatever (economic affairs?) before Ezior Apr 2017 #24
Correction retrowire Apr 2017 #18
Why do you pretend there are no extremists? JTFrog Apr 2017 #19
Because retrowire Apr 2017 #22
This post sure explains a lot n/t kcr Apr 2017 #29
As long as you're not misinterpreting it then I'm glad. Nt retrowire Apr 2017 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Apr 2017 #53
Oppressing the mens. betsuni Apr 2017 #35
Right, which is not what feminism is about, correct? Nt retrowire Apr 2017 #36
Funny how you relate oppression of men to feminism. boston bean Apr 2017 #41
OMFG YOURE SERIOUS? retrowire Apr 2017 #42
Wow how many bad feminists have you met?! boston bean Apr 2017 #43
None retrowire Apr 2017 #44
Oh my. boston bean Apr 2017 #45
You're being rude. Nt retrowire Apr 2017 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Apr 2017 #54
Too late, the far left and the far right are joined at the hip- Your posts will not change that snooper2 Apr 2017 #55
Sure if people keep falling for the trolls impersonations retrowire Apr 2017 #56
This article is complete BS oberliner Apr 2017 #23
To be fair, his voters are not as dumb as he seems to be Ezior Apr 2017 #25
a majority of them either won't vote or will vote for le pen. wow.... boston bean Apr 2017 #31
follow the money. mopinko Apr 2017 #27
He's a Putin fanboy Ezior Apr 2017 #28
yup. the jill stein of france. mopinko Apr 2017 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author boston bean Apr 2017 #32
send it to rachel mopinko Apr 2017 #33
Go figure! NurseJackie Apr 2017 #37
Hmm... This story plot seems familiar for some reason... Blue_Tires Apr 2017 #38
Sounds familiar. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #46
Ah, the summer reruns. Is Putin the head of programming for all networks? FSogol Apr 2017 #50
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