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Jim Lane

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110. O'Malley donors might make a claim but would have bigger proof problems.

Thu Apr 27, 2017, 07:42 AM

Apr 2017

Note first that this is not a case by Sanders, so asking about O'Malley isn't a parallel. The parallel would be O'Malley donors.

O'Malley was disadvantaged by the curtailment of the debate schedule, but most of the alleged DNC/DWS violations of neutrality occurred after O'Malley's withdrawal.

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Sanders Supporters Get Their Day In Court Against Wasserman Schultz [View all] TexasTowelie Apr 2017 OP

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I don't know if you are serious or joking, but this is pathetic. Arkansas Granny Apr 2017 #2

Don't feed the troll. Throck Apr 2017 #4

Texas Towelie is not a troll. TT posts news stories from all different parts of tblue37 Apr 2017 #134

Oh, and BTW, he has been here since 2011 and has nearly 40,000 posts. tblue37 Apr 2017 #135

Texas Towelie does a great job on Texas issues Gothmog Apr 2017 #138

Sorry but liability disclaimers don't work on "attractive nuisances". n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #3

It was an undemocratic process elias7 Apr 2017 #5

Not sure what you mean.... Adrahil Apr 2017 #8

Are you objecting to the Caucuses? They are pretty undemocratic. Vesper Apr 2017 #41

Sore losers nt Trumpocalypse Apr 2017 #6

DWS called someone an ass? How thin-skinned ARE these people? betsuni Apr 2017 #7

In an EMAIL!! CURSING about someone!!! ehrnst Apr 2017 #22

You know the article says the lawsuit was filed before that revelation. Yes? Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2017 #95

Yes, however, the emails are what this Hillary hating website states is "evidence" ehrnst Apr 2017 #98

That is pathetic Progressive dog Apr 2017 #9

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What was the evidence for it? Because it as far as I cal tell boston bean Apr 2017 #16

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Not quite sure what was 'confirmed' by Wikileaks ehrnst Apr 2017 #23

it's very curious... boston bean Apr 2017 #24

I'll be interested to see what evidence they present that those emails were acted upon by DNC. ehrnst Apr 2017 #28

Wrong. The lawsuit was filed after the initial hack and release of documents. DanTex Apr 2017 #52

The lawsuit was filed on June 28th, but the DNC email release came out on July 22nd. PotatoChip Apr 2017 #103

Umm, read the actual complaint filed, it explicitly cites the hacked documents. DanTex Apr 2017 #108

They were leaked, not hacked. PotatoChip Apr 2017 #125

Actually, yes they were hacked. By groups affiliated with Russian intelligence. DanTex Apr 2017 #126

Why are you guys so obsessed with Russia? PotatoChip Apr 2017 #128

"You guys". LOL. Well, Russia did hack the DNC and Podesta accounts in order to help DanTex Apr 2017 #131

Your not trolling at all with that question uponit7771 Apr 2017 #142

this obamanut2012 Apr 2017 #63

This is very insulting to African American voters in the south stevenleser Apr 2017 #10

What a surprisingly divisive take on that story ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #11

As long as economic issues specific to POC aren't dismissed as 'identity politics" ehrnst Apr 2017 #25

LOL - How is it divisive? JustAnotherGen Apr 2017 #27

LOL ProfessorPlum Apr 2017 #36

The divide is between what that person wants to believe and the facts presented. stevenleser Apr 2017 #80

LOL! George II Apr 2017 #46

LOL Amimnoch Apr 2017 #76

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2017 #17

The Nomination JustAnotherGen Apr 2017 #26

She was the nominee? George II Apr 2017 #47

What about us AA in the north.. coco22 Apr 2017 #105

If you have a point that relates to mine, state it. Since you didn't, I assume you don't have one. stevenleser Apr 2017 #114

here in California, we remember the AP story saying Hillary already won the night before the primary yurbud Apr 2017 #139

I remember Dewey defeats Truman too. No thumb on scale, just a mistake stevenleser Apr 2017 #140

The hearing on the motion to dismiss was yesterday, so what's the verdict? I read through some of seaglass Apr 2017 #12

I checked to see if there was an article on IVN or in the Sun-Sentinel TexasTowelie Apr 2017 #13

Generally decisions aren't made at the hearings themselves, most likely in a few weeks. George II Apr 2017 #14

I wasn't sure how long it would take. There are no news articles about this happening yesterday as seaglass Apr 2017 #35

I don't expect a political party to hew to neutrality. Orsino Apr 2017 #18

The fact that there were no requirements that a candidate have a record of being elected as a Dem ehrnst Apr 2017 #29

Yeah. And I don't think I would have much trouble with putting in requirements like that. Orsino Apr 2017 #33

Sad Roy Rolling Apr 2017 #19

Accusing them of things they didn't do is equally mistaken and destructive. ehrnst Apr 2017 #31

I don't disagree with the intention or the topic necessarily Texas, Brogrizzly Apr 2017 #21

It will be interesting to see what the Outreach Director for the DNC has to say about this. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #30

I shudder to think. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #37

Oh please proceed. lol Cha Apr 2017 #88

I'm tempted ... But I'm also wise. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #89

i didn't Cha Apr 2017 #90

Of course ... But it's fun to imagine. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #91

That would be Mike Lux. Ask him. (n/t) Jim Lane Apr 2017 #92

If only the RNC emails were leaked to the media. betsuni Apr 2017 #32

My hope is that the DNC doesn't argue that they have every right to favor one candidate hughee99 Apr 2017 #34

Oh for fuck's sake. nt JTFrog Apr 2017 #39

You make a compelling argument. n/t hughee99 Apr 2017 #48

When you say "favor" that means actions, not simply opinions. Important distinction. ehrnst Apr 2017 #42

Yes, I'm saying "favor" as in actions, not simply opinions. You can't regulate people's opinions. hughee99 Apr 2017 #45

So then you have evidence of the "thumb on the scale?" Or that the DNC "argued that they were not ehrnst Apr 2017 #49

So you didn't read my post? hughee99 Apr 2017 #50

So you didn't read my post? ehrnst Apr 2017 #53

Hopefully this will clear this all up... hughee99 Apr 2017 #56

Actually, there is third possibility. ehrnst Apr 2017 #57

That's also a fine defense. hughee99 Apr 2017 #59

Not sure why they wouldn't use it if it's true. ehrnst Apr 2017 #60

From this post, it appears you don't understand the implications of the argument. hughee99 Apr 2017 #62

I think I'm quite clear on the implications of the argument ehrnst Apr 2017 #65

The DNC has argued already that they have no legal obligation to run a fair primary. hughee99 Apr 2017 #66

Oh, so that's your take on "fair." ehrnst Apr 2017 #70

So your contention is that the DNC did not argue that it's under no legal obligation hughee99 Apr 2017 #75

It's important not to assume that the enemy of your enemy is your friend ehrnst Apr 2017 #84

I'm not a lawyer, though do spend a fair amount of time hughee99 Apr 2017 #86

The DNC can't use that defense on this motion. They are going ONLY with what hughee99 said. Jim Lane Apr 2017 #93

Thank you for your expertise on this. hughee99 Apr 2017 #96

The issue of remedy is a big problem for the plaintiffs. Jim Lane Apr 2017 #101

Maybe I'm naive, but I didn't see the bias immediately. PotatoChip Apr 2017 #120

OK, then, maybe I'm too cynical. Jim Lane Apr 2017 #122

Well, we'll see what the judge says. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #100

It's easy to predict what the judge WON'T say. Jim Lane Apr 2017 #104

So would O'Malley have a case as well? (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #107

O'Malley donors might make a claim but would have bigger proof problems. Jim Lane Apr 2017 #110

But if "favoritism" for another candidate is an actionable offense ehrnst Apr 2017 #115

My answer, based on casual reading about the case Jim Lane Apr 2017 #121

Do the pleadings still contain that crazy claim that the DC consumer protection statute applies Gothmog Apr 2017 #137

I don't know if that claim is in there. I also don't know whether it's crazy. Jim Lane Apr 2017 #141

This particular claim was both ignorant and had no basis in the law Gothmog Apr 2017 #144

Have you read the DC law and any interpretive regs and any court decisions applying it? Jim Lane Apr 2017 #145

Yes-It is a typical Deceptive Trade Practices Gothmog Apr 2017 #146

Thanks for the link, but I'm not trying to give it the full-court press of legal research. Jim Lane Apr 2017 #147

I read the pleadings last year when the case was first filed Gothmog Apr 2017 #148

The lawyer you call "this idiot" has already accomplished something. Jim Lane Apr 2017 #149

You are wrong again Gothmog Apr 2017 #150

Thank you for your condescension, which is completely wrong. Jim Lane Apr 2017 #156

Again, your attempts at analysis are amusing but wrong Gothmog Apr 2017 #157

I hope even nonlawyers can realize how absurd your posts are. Jim Lane Apr 2017 #158

Real lawyers do not think that this lawsuit is that meaningful Gothmog Apr 2017 #159

The public exposure of the DNC's attitude toward its own rules is meaningful. Jim Lane Apr 2017 #160

The so-called leaks of DNC emails was done by Russians Gothmog Apr 2017 #161

Yep. Talk about strawman. nt JTFrog Apr 2017 #51

Evasion, too. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #54

The DNC's lawyers ADMITTED to the favoritism. PotatoChip Apr 2017 #97

I'm interested to see if there is evidence that "favoritism" amounted to "rigging" ehrnst Apr 2017 #102

No, they did not admit to favoritism, that is a total lie. DanTex Apr 2017 #109

Yes they did. You obviously did not read the article I provided. It's right there. PotatoChip Apr 2017 #113

LOL. The article you provided is alt-left garbage. Read the actual legal brief. DanTex Apr 2017 #118

That's why I'm waiting for a neutral source to summarize the claims and defenses ehrnst Apr 2017 #116

The other option is to read the legal briefs themselves. Here is the one filed by the defense. DanTex Apr 2017 #119

As I stated before - that's not an option because I am not trained as a lawyer or judge ehrnst Apr 2017 #123

Sure, fair enough. DanTex Apr 2017 #124

My apologies if it was not you that I explained this to before. ehrnst Apr 2017 #127

No worries. DanTex Apr 2017 #129

If they have good lawyers, they will argue both. DanTex Apr 2017 #55

Do you think it's a good idea to argue that you have the right to do things in a primary hughee99 Apr 2017 #58

The lawyers need to to act in the best interests of their clients. DanTex Apr 2017 #61

What's in the best interest of the clients isn't always just about winning the case. hughee99 Apr 2017 #64

That's true, and like I said I don't know the ethics here. DanTex Apr 2017 #68

I'm not sure that going to trial is worse. hughee99 Apr 2017 #71

Maybe, but it would also draw the whole thing out. DanTex Apr 2017 #77

I think now is the time to do it. You're as far away from the next primary as you're going to get. hughee99 Apr 2017 #78

For sure, if there's a trial, make it as soon as possible. DanTex Apr 2017 #79

The legal ethics answer: This is up to the DNC and Wasserman Schultz. Jim Lane Apr 2017 #94

I read an early form of the petition and it was dreck Gothmog Apr 2017 #85

They won't because they didn't. No evidence of that in the email dump emulatorloo Apr 2017 #69

They already did make that argument in a case back in October. hughee99 Apr 2017 #87

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I think that his statments - or silence - on this will be very telling. ehrnst Apr 2017 #43

+1 tallahasseedem Apr 2017 #74

Shouldn't they be out doing revolution stuff? leftofcool Apr 2017 #40

This is easier. ehrnst Apr 2017 #44

this lawsuit is like masturbation, without the positive aspects nt geek tragedy Apr 2017 #67

They've got no evidence. Because it didn't happen. emulatorloo Apr 2017 #72

because perpetual grievance against DWS is the most pressing issue in their lives nt geek tragedy Apr 2017 #73

Hence JPR where those who want to live their lives focused on non-existent grievances can congregate stevenleser Apr 2017 #81

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2017 #143

I proudly support Debbie Wasserman Schultz. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #82

I imagine it will be thrown out... Blue_Tires Apr 2017 #83

That website has a whole lot of Hillary hate. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #99

Oh, brother. WinkyDink Apr 2017 #106

This is why I say we move on work on electing people ...no hope to get the votes of people Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #111

This was filed 6/28/2016 HoneyBadger Apr 2017 #112

I have not seen any reports on the hearing Gothmog Apr 2017 #117

I checked the Sun Sentinel which is the newspaper for Broward County TexasTowelie Apr 2017 #132

This is strange in that there is normally coverage in high profile cases Gothmog Apr 2017 #136

Carol Wilding is a Stein supporter, so there's that. And this source isn't exactly journalism. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2017 #130

See post #132. TexasTowelie Apr 2017 #133

Did this happen before or after his campaign stole Hillary voter data? nini Apr 2017 #151

Good question. I think the data hacking was first. n/t pnwmom Apr 2017 #152

The judge hasn't ruled yet. Here's the most recent account I could find. pnwmom Apr 2017 #153

This will not end well for Bernie Sanders underthematrix Apr 2017 #154

I guess you could call oral arguments lapucelle Apr 2017 #155