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kstewart33

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7. When you don't like the message, attack the messenger?

Thu Apr 27, 2017, 07:31 PM

Apr 2017

In his 20-plus years in Congress, Bernie has never shepherded a piece of legislation through the process to a majority vote. He is not known in Congress as someone who is a compromiser. Compromise is essential to get anything done. That's why his record isn't exactly impressive.

Compromise is essential when you want to widen the tent, and grow and unite the party. IMHO Bernie's not the one to do that. And he especially is not the one to do that when he refuses to join the party.

Outsiders don't unite a parties that they refuse to join.

We need a Democrat who can unite the party. So far we haven't found one. But that doesn't mean we should sign on with someone who refuses to join the party and would be an absolute disaster because of his "my way or the highway" tendencies.

It makes no sense at all.

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"Bernie Sanders Has Always Sacrificed Pragmatism For Idealism, But Now Its Hurting Democrats" [View all] Justice Apr 2017 OP

You dont want to know what I think. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2017 #1

Then why post ncdem01 Apr 2017 #10

2012 sheshe2 Apr 2017 #11

What a rude post GP6971 Apr 2017 #19

Then why are you posting something rude? Cha Apr 2017 #49

"Rantt Staff Writer. BA, Political Science. Former Republican." QC Apr 2017 #2

No kidding. beam me up scottie Apr 2017 #3

When you don't like the message, attack the messenger? kstewart33 Apr 2017 #7

Sure...works for everyone else around here. QC Apr 2017 #9

There's a heck of a lot more to it than a logo on a jersey. kstewart33 Apr 2017 #21

I'm a proud DEMOCRAT and the politicians I most admire are DEMOCRATS... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #25

I registered as a Democrat when I turned 18, in 1983, QC Apr 2017 #31

This is GOLD Jerry!! +10 000000 N/T Chevy Apr 2017 #41

Apparently, what it means to be a Democrat in 2017 . . . HughBeaumont Apr 2017 #75

Strawman emulatorloo Apr 2017 #126

good read, thanks...nt comradebillyboy Apr 2017 #4

I agree with your analysis Gothmog Apr 2017 #5

Although his critique is cogent in some places Steven Maurer Apr 2017 #6

IMO the casual sniping, as you call it, angers and affects more people than you think. brush Apr 2017 #35

BS is always insulting the Democratic Party every Cha Apr 2017 #50

The reason for all the anti-Sanders' 'news' is because... Trial_By_Fire Apr 2017 #8

Favored by so many Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2017 #14

You missed my point... Trial_By_Fire Apr 2017 #20

That's not what you said Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2017 #23

I would argue that the statement is also true... Trial_By_Fire Apr 2017 #24

Yet Hillary adopted most of Sanders' positions in her platform Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2017 #30

No one forced you to respond to my post! Trial_By_Fire Apr 2017 #32

This is an open forum Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2017 #96

Or she already had same position Justice Apr 2017 #53

Unfortunately, far more than 1% were attacked to the messages of hate coming from the pnwmom Apr 2017 #34

well that's really two entirely different issues isn't it. One thing that people like to use JCanete Apr 2017 #44

I didn't get a kick out of anything Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2017 #97

Nor could he get his faction to the polls lapucelle Apr 2017 #103

Hillary won almost 3 million more votes than DT. It isn't enough to have policies that the majority pnwmom Apr 2017 #15

Please see my post #20 above... Trial_By_Fire Apr 2017 #22

Not a Modern Day FDR...A Modern Day Huey Long Expecting Rain Apr 2017 #26

... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #29

You are welcome to your own opinion! Trial_By_Fire Apr 2017 #33

Umm, I'm pretty sure that the "oligarchy" is not the least bit worried about Sanders. DanTex Apr 2017 #59

They like the angry speeches. Keep us at each other's throats and a certain someone hasn't... brush Apr 2017 #83

Yes! Phoenix61 Apr 2017 #132

You missed the part where they funded him to spilt the party I guess? bettyellen Apr 2017 #94

Guess so...Can you show me where that is documented? Trial_By_Fire Apr 2017 #95

17 intell agencies agreed the Trump campaign exploited Sanders supporters bettyellen Apr 2017 #99

"You missed the part where they funded him to spilt the party I guess?" Trial_By_Fire Apr 2017 #100

You need to get out more. lapucelle Apr 2017 #104

Thanks for this... Trial_By_Fire Apr 2017 #111

That game doesn't work with me, dear. lapucelle Apr 2017 #117

Well, Dear, my original post referred to the 'they funded Sanders to split the party'... Trial_By_Fire Apr 2017 #118

I read your posts. lapucelle Apr 2017 #122

Did you go to the links in my post? Trial_By_Fire Apr 2017 #124

I did go to your links. lapucelle Apr 2017 #131

So then,why do YOU think the Russians and the GOP tried to help Sanders campaign? bettyellen Apr 2017 #121

First, I see you did not prove where 'they funded Sanders to split the party'... Trial_By_Fire Apr 2017 #123

The article cited said people noticed the Russian spambots spreading bullshit from Wiki and RT? LOL. bettyellen Apr 2017 #133

It's pretty ironic lapucelle Apr 2017 #134

Sorry wrong place, delete emulatorloo Apr 2017 #128

Karl Rove ran pro-Bernie ads in Iowa emulatorloo Apr 2017 #129

And Sanders is no Nancy Pelosi, either. CBHagman Apr 2017 #40

Bingo. nt kstewart33 Apr 2017 #109

Fucking bullshit. alarimer Apr 2017 #66

The Reason for all the anti-sanders OPs is because Cha Apr 2017 #47

Oh, and Baloney.. BS is not FDR.. lol Cha Apr 2017 #48

You should read about FDR. athena Apr 2017 #58

No, it's because he said he was a democrat in order to run for President. pnwmom Apr 2017 #80

FDR was a member of the 1% emulatorloo Apr 2017 #127

I thought we weren't 'lowed to say anything bad bout Bernie. Dream Girl Apr 2017 #135

K&R Jamaal510 Apr 2017 #12

Exactly. How can he bring people into the Democratic party when he refuses to do that himself? n/t pnwmom Apr 2017 #13

Yeah, I thought that was a pretty good point too. n/t Zing Zing Zingbah Apr 2017 #16

He kept me in the party. I was ready to bail, but his hope and criticism of the party... aikoaiko Apr 2017 #18

I'm glad that happened, but you were already in the party. He has presented himself pnwmom Apr 2017 #37

Well for every one of 'you' there are way more who leave the party because of such criticism. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #61

It is hard to bring people into the Democratic Party when close allies outside of it are demonized* Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #17

LOL NurseJackie Apr 2017 #27

With "close allies" like tis, who needs enemies? Expecting Rain Apr 2017 #28

If you believe all that, then you shouldn't appreciate "close allies' who criticize Dems as much as pnwmom Apr 2017 #39

probably more criticism for the Dems. nt Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #68

There's the truth. JudyM Apr 2017 #42

It's also hard when alleged close allies are continually demonizing the party publicly. brush Apr 2017 #46

The Democratic party has been constantly demonized by a number of people Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #54

That's my issue. Bernie loses me completely with his Justice Apr 2017 #55

or such close 'allies' demonize the party...nt Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #62

They just have to open a newspaper or watch TV to hear Bernie demonize Democratic Party Justice Apr 2017 #107

"I'd like to focus solely on the Republicans." Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #113

Well at least he hasn't dragged 44 yet...... wait never mind. N/T Chevy Apr 2017 #36

There is absolutely nothing right with this argument. JCanete Apr 2017 #38

Ooh, snap. JudyM Apr 2017 #43

seems to support article's point Justice Apr 2017 #52

You'll have to elaborate. The result has been, until he garnered popularity via social media JCanete Apr 2017 #56

I believe that he has sacrificed pragmatism for idealism, yes. DanTex Apr 2017 #60

First, the question is what could get through congress? Was that kind of legislation worth JCanete Apr 2017 #91

To your first question, yes. ACA, Dodd-Frank, Stimulus, etc. DanTex Apr 2017 #98

Well, you are naming things right off the top which as idealistic and unwilling to go for JCanete Apr 2017 #110

I agree, and I said so in my last post. Bernie has been as a reliable senate vote. DanTex Apr 2017 #142

primarying isn't talking about 3rd parties, now is it? That is working within the party, and JCanete Apr 2017 #143

Based on the past election...he should consider selling the 'D'. nt. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #63

the past election, in which we are reminded Clinton got 3 million more votes than trump, and that JCanete Apr 2017 #88

There were enough geen and other such voters to have changed the outcome...lets Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #89

remember that every good progressive policy we have is because of people of all progressive JCanete Apr 2017 #92

Psst. Wrong narrative. n/t Orsino Apr 2017 #73

Yeah he is a weird one to supposely be bringing Peeps Cha Apr 2017 #45

Just one question: Do you have to be a Dem Party member to post on DU? YOHABLO Apr 2017 #51

Read TOS we are not supposed to interfere with governance of this site. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #64

Bernie got me politically involved PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #57

In a word no. I believe public criticism drives people from the party. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #67

Ya we differ on that. I see it as honesty PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #69

Sorry...I see no benefit from making people think the Democratic party sucks. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #70

I don't see it as such and that honesty got me to vote Dem PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #71

Really...you vote for a party that someone says sucks...I am sorry I don't believe that. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #79

Where has Bernie said the party sucks? Link please? PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #81

I never said that nor would I...I said do you think people will vote for Democrats Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #85

I never said that nor would I...I said do you think people will vote for Democrats Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #86

If that's the case, why is the most popular politician? PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #87

He is popular in his state...not sure about the most popular ...maybe. Demsrule86 Apr 2017 #90

Check this out PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #93

So I googled that scipan Apr 2017 #119

Think about this. The repugs control every branch of government. They keep their criticism of... brush Apr 2017 #72

And therein lies our differences PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #74

Did you miss the whole point? Critique all you want but keep it in-house, maybe join the party... brush Apr 2017 #77

I do disagree PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #78

So sowing discord among Dems publicly is a good thing to you? brush Apr 2017 #82

Bernie is sowing discord? Huh? PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #116

Keep it in-house. brush Apr 2017 #137

what about threads like this? scipan Apr 2017 #120

Threads like this start because of frustration over a certain someone continually bashing the party brush Apr 2017 #136

Are you registered with the Independent Party lapucelle Apr 2017 #105

Independent Party? PaintedSkies Apr 2017 #141

Infuriating and heartbreaking. It DOES defy all logic... NurseJackie Apr 2017 #65

Bernie didn't go to tRump's Senate meeting photo-op SHRED Apr 2017 #76

"Sanders: Trump on right track with North Korea" emulatorloo Apr 2017 #130

He is an independent who votes Democratic. So, he's trying to get independents to vote D too. yodermon Apr 2017 #84

You don't get independents to vote for a party that you attack. kstewart33 Apr 2017 #112

he needs to shit or get off the pot... samnsara Apr 2017 #101

What is unpragmatic about championing policies the majority of the country supports? killbotfactory Apr 2017 #102

+1 bagelsforbreakfast Apr 2017 #106

Because its not true Justice Apr 2017 #108

Democrats are not pretending everything is great; lapucelle Apr 2017 #115

Nah, BS championed an "Aggressively Anti-Choice" candidate Cha Apr 2017 #138

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2017 #139

KICK Cha Apr 2017 #140

What defies logic to me is why anybody discusses Bernie at all. mikehiggins Apr 2017 #114

It's only "hurting" certain kinds of Democrats -- Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2017 #125

I have not a bit of regret for voting for Sanders. David__77 Apr 2017 #144