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BainsBane

(53,034 posts)
80. I am not suggesting that you are racist
Fri Apr 28, 2017, 12:24 AM
Apr 2017

I am suggesting that this outrage is selective. We have seen it against Obama and Clinton, while far greater wealth of others is justified. How do you explain that? Why do the same people with such contempt for Obama and Clinton earning money from speeches continually herald FDR and JFK, both born into extreme wealth, as heroes? Why do people insist inherited wealth is okay, but earning money isn't? Why do they insist Kerry's billions aren't a problem because they come through marriage, while Clinton and Obama's earning money are not?

Why do they ignore or excuse politicians who enrich themselves to the tune of tens of millions off campaign donations, all while being enraged about Obama speaking at a conference sponsored by Cantor Fitzgerald?

Frankly, it doesn't matter what you want to see. You nor the rest of Twitter owns Obama. He is not a politician anymore but a private citizen, free to earn money as he sees fit. What makes any of you think you have any right to control what Obama does or doesn't do? Your influence over politicians is through your vote. Obama isn't asking for your votes. That stage of his life is finished.

I know hating Wall Street while offering no critique of capitalism is all the fashion. I understand the goal is to return to the great days of the party, when Wall Street financed half of the campaign of FDR, a man born into extreme wealth. I know that certain politicians, including Trump, have been adept at exploiting popular rage at Wall Street for their own benefit. I understand that rage directed at specific individuals and one li sector of the economy--to the exclusion of others like guns and defense-- has replaced efforts to promote systemic reform that could actually address problems in the financial sector or the influence of money in politics.

I, however, expect more. I expect citizens to inform themselves rather than buy into self serving political rhetoric, rather than focusing their anger toward certain individuals they believe have no right to have money while celebrating as heroes those with far more. I expect a focus on the system that generates inequality, not resentment toward a president for earning more money that some think he has a right to. Though, truthfully, I know that won't happen because people derive too much satisfaction from rage, and some politicians are very good at exploiting that for their own benefit.

There is no principle by which people have a right to control the actions of a former president, who will never again seek selected office. There is no principle that justifies rage toward Obama while excusing far greater wealth held by others. This isn't about economic justice. It's not an effort to promote equality. There is not even an articulation of such a goal. I see that at least part of it is about patrolling the boundaries of who is allowed access to wealth, and I do believe that race and gender play a role in that, though not necessarily consciously. I have quite recently seen policies that lead to greater inequality and poverty justified under the guise of progressivism. As a result, I no longer believe that their goal is economic justice for all, but rather increased wealth and the restoration of privilege for some at the expense of many. In light of all that, I have trouble seeing this outrage over Obama's speech as principled.


Me too. He should get whatever they are willing to pay him. He has an agent, that's where those monmouth4 Apr 2017 #1
Yes mcar Apr 2017 #2
Yes, definitely agree..n/t monmouth4 Apr 2017 #3
I agree, too. yallerdawg Apr 2017 #4
here here Afromania Apr 2017 #8
he absolutely, in a way no other pres has, put his life on the line. mopinko Apr 2017 #10
Good points, mopinko. nt brer cat Apr 2017 #120
Agreed. randome Apr 2017 #5
And gave fodder to the Rs for the GE mcar Apr 2017 #6
I'm offended at the whole thing. fun n serious Apr 2017 #7
this mopinko Apr 2017 #11
Women and People of color should not be paid so much money for a speech. fun n serious Apr 2017 #20
THIS sheshe2 Apr 2017 #49
Plus, they're taking jobs lapucelle Apr 2017 #53
+++++ brer cat Apr 2017 #122
+1,000!!! AgadorSparticus Apr 2017 #138
You have to be kidding. Rilgin Apr 2017 #28
Great post. N/T SomethingNew Apr 2017 #125
Al Gore got kicked around here, as did John Edwards before we even knew about his sins Hekate Apr 2017 #75
This seems to be the bigger factor... WePurrsevere Apr 2017 #119
You forgot one. Rincewind Apr 2017 #118
I also agree with Mr. Daou Gothmog Apr 2017 #9
Does this mean she doesn't want President Obama to Cha Apr 2017 #109
He's getting paid 400k from a the companies that destroyed the economy killbotfactory Apr 2017 #12
And if his speech excoriates them for their actions? mcar Apr 2017 #13
He didn't excoriate them when he had the power of the presidency. killbotfactory Apr 2017 #14
Optics? Seriously? mcar Apr 2017 #18
They are being criticized because they are figurehead of a party killbotfactory Apr 2017 #23
Why does it bother you so much? BainsBane Apr 2017 #30
If you want democrats to win future elections it should bother you. killbotfactory Apr 2017 #55
You're going to have to explain to me why BainsBane Apr 2017 #58
Did the last election not convince you that the GOP being shitbags killbotfactory Apr 2017 #60
I'm not talking about the GOP BainsBane Apr 2017 #62
Pffft killbotfactory Apr 2017 #66
;-) riversedge Apr 2017 #103
You mean the one the Russians helped with our are you going to ignore then too? uponit7771 Apr 2017 #111
better than enriching himself off donations from middle-income BainsBane Apr 2017 #21
Every rich person got their wealth of the backs of working people. killbotfactory Apr 2017 #24
Will you denounce anyone who became rich in the manner I described? BainsBane Apr 2017 #27
Obama had probably the hardest job on earth. killbotfactory Apr 2017 #29
But $10-15 million is fine? BainsBane Apr 2017 #31
10-15 million from who? killbotfactory Apr 2017 #37
from donations from working people BainsBane Apr 2017 #41
Cool story, bro. Nt killbotfactory Apr 2017 #42
So wealth isn't the problem at all? BainsBane Apr 2017 #45
Wealth is power killbotfactory Apr 2017 #54
Something like that would infuriate me. NurseJackie Apr 2017 #46
But as long as it didn't come from corporations, it's okay BainsBane Apr 2017 #50
So subtle melman Apr 2017 #61
Perhaps you can create a list BainsBane Apr 2017 #64
"I gave him a lot of leeway" BannonsLiver Apr 2017 #134
This message was self-deleted by its author Hekate Apr 2017 #73
Is that so? BainsBane Apr 2017 #74
Oh please Hekate Apr 2017 #72
No one person is an island killbotfactory Apr 2017 #77
Does that go for people who write a best seller? Only I know a local woman... Hekate Apr 2017 #83
Gee, who could have guessed you'd find a way to slam You Know Who in this? melman Apr 2017 #59
Interesting conclusion BainsBane Apr 2017 #63
Exactly, and hiring planes to god knows where Cha Apr 2017 #86
And forgetting the first Goldman speech "scandal" was actually nothing. bettyellen Apr 2017 #132
+1000000 betsuni Apr 2017 #88
No President Obama didn't fail.. Peter Daou is right.. Cha Apr 2017 #32
So is it that only a white republicon man can WhiteTara Apr 2017 #15
Me too mcar Apr 2017 #16
And her endorsing the anti-choice candidate in VA BainsBane Apr 2017 #17
I do not get their line of reasoning at all mcar Apr 2017 #19
I think it's the same line of reasoning that celebrates as heroes BainsBane Apr 2017 #25
Amen, sister Hekate Apr 2017 #79
You are so spot on, Bains! brer cat Apr 2017 #123
And, President Obama Releases his damn Tax Returns.. Cha Apr 2017 #40
True! BainsBane Apr 2017 #52
Yep! Me too! I agree with Mr. Daou! Madam45for2923 Apr 2017 #22
Who pays $400,000.00 for a speech? ZX86 Apr 2017 #26
President Barack Obama gets paid that much for a speech. Cha Apr 2017 #33
That wasn't the question. ZX86 Apr 2017 #35
A person doesn't. Organizations do. BainsBane Apr 2017 #36
Okay. ZX86 Apr 2017 #38
You can read as well as anyone else BainsBane Apr 2017 #43
So you don't know their names either. ZX86 Apr 2017 #57
I do because I searched google news BainsBane Apr 2017 #68
Do you have a link? ZX86 Apr 2017 #71
You're very special. I'm sure you know how to do research into primary sources. Go to it! nt Hekate Apr 2017 #84
hahaha :) OnDoutside Apr 2017 #104
He was President of the United States. There aren't but a handful of those on the planet... brush Apr 2017 #82
The answer was in there. you had to read it. Cha Apr 2017 #39
Do they have names? ZX86 Apr 2017 #47
Research. Go to it. Hekate Apr 2017 #85
The type of person who knows lapucelle Apr 2017 #67
Zing, lapucelle! Cha Apr 2017 #115
Participation in what? News interest, press coverage, and good publicity to what end? ZX86 Apr 2017 #133
Actually, the Red Cross is cutting a check to Trump, lapucelle Apr 2017 #135
WTF is that? ZX86 Apr 2017 #136
Here's a link to last year's conference program lapucelle Apr 2017 #137
If I had an extra $400,000,.00 to spend ZX86 Apr 2017 #70
Link? nt LexVegas Apr 2017 #126
What is all the fuss about? peggysue2 Apr 2017 #34
I'm concerned about zentrum Apr 2017 #44
the low-information voter isn't voting for Obama BainsBane Apr 2017 #48
Good Lord. Are you zentrum Apr 2017 #76
I am not suggesting that you are racist BainsBane Apr 2017 #80
And in terms of your particular post BainsBane Apr 2017 #81
I have no beef with the former President speaking to Wall Street for a lot of money DefenseLawyer Apr 2017 #51
Goddamn it. MicaelS Apr 2017 #56
Exactly! peggysue2 Apr 2017 #69
Thank you, Micael.. Cha Apr 2017 #87
My feelings are, good for him! herding cats Apr 2017 #65
I'm seriously confused by this "faux controversy"... Docreed2003 Apr 2017 #78
Thank you, Docreed! Trevor Noah's take on it.. Cha Apr 2017 #91
BS is wrong and Insulting, too.. Cha Apr 2017 #89
Those who live in glass houses BainsBane Apr 2017 #90
But they do.. biggest ones of all. Trevor Noah's take on all this.. Cha Apr 2017 #92
Lol BainsBane Apr 2017 #94
"**** you!".. Cha Apr 2017 #97
toughest reforms on wall street since FDR amidst the second crisis almost as big as the one JCanete Apr 2017 #93
Yeah, not enough hated for the party there BainsBane Apr 2017 #96
pocketed 12.9 million? Accusation or fact? JCanete Apr 2017 #99
An estimate BainsBane Apr 2017 #100
an estimate of what? JCanete Apr 2017 #101
Follow the money yourself BainsBane Apr 2017 #102
well shucks...that is a very loose accusation, and I'm not even sure what the accusation is. JCanete Apr 2017 #107
No, not to random people BainsBane Apr 2017 #112
I'm genuinely interested, and if off-board is better for this material that's fine. I'm moving so JCanete Apr 2017 #113
Just totally made up nonsense melman Apr 2017 #108
No surprise there mcar Apr 2017 #127
Yeah, just get the nastiest, wrong headed insult he Cha Apr 2017 #128
I've noticed he's getting push back on Twitter mcar Apr 2017 #129
You, too.. Good! Cha Apr 2017 #130
K&R betsuni Apr 2017 #95
Trevor Noah's take on this, mcar.. Cha Apr 2017 #98
Excellent ! Imagine if he refused the money, you'd still get OnDoutside Apr 2017 #106
Pres Obama is a young man with ambitious plans to build an innovative 21st C library Cha Apr 2017 #110
Absolutely. He's being paid as much for being a voice OnDoutside Apr 2017 #114
Great point! "..he's being paid as much for being Cha Apr 2017 #116
Isn't Jonathan Alter one of the pundits lapucelle Apr 2017 #121
It rings a bell now that you mention it.. I trust Cha Apr 2017 #124
hahah, that IS funny, and certainly hasn't been lost on me. Still uncomfortable with it, and I think JCanete Apr 2017 #117
Trevor Noah kept saying F**** Off! to the camera on this topic. What we applegrove Apr 2017 #105
BTW, President Obama... Cha Apr 2017 #131
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