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The Velveteen Ocelot

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18. "Why does everyone hate it?"
Tue Jul 3, 2012, 07:21 PM
Jul 2012

Because they've been told it's another expensive social program that benefits the unworthy poor at the expense of the worthy taxpayer.

And if you try to explain that it will make health insurance available to 30 million people who don't have it and who have been getting sick and sometimes dying because they couldn't get medical care, you will be farting in a whirlwind, because the GOPers and 'baggers have no compassion. They care only about these things: Making sure Obama's signature legislation is repealed, thereby damaging his reelection chances, and making sure no undeserving (read: minority) people get any help.

The explanation has to be something like the OP used: Make it about them. And make it about their favorite thing, "personal responsibility." So here's the argument:

When people can't afford to go to a doctor because they have no insurance, they don't go unless/until they are really, really sick and somebody drags them to an emergency room. They will get treatment there - very expensive treatment - but they won't be able to pay for it (even though they will be billed for it, since, contrary to common belief, ER treatment isn't free). So who does pay for it, Mr. GOPer? You do, that's who. You pay for it because your own health insurance premium will go up, and because your taxes help fund hospitals.

Also, that person who is now very sick is unable to work (maybe he'll die). So he won't be paying any taxes on his wages unless/until he recovers. In the meantime he might lose his job and have to go on unemployment (costing you more money in taxes). He and his family might have to go on public assistance (which you pay for); his wife might have to quit her job to stay home and look after him while he recovers, so she won't be paying taxes, either. The kids might have to drop out of college, damaging their eventual chances of getting good jobs and paying taxes. If the sick person has a communicable disease that he'd probably been spreading around until he got dragged to the ER, maybe you or your kids will get that disease.

But let's say that instead, the person who has had no insurance (maybe because his employer doesn't offer it, or he's self-employed and can't get it or has a pre-existing condition that makes him uninsurable) now can get coverage. He has to have it, and has to pay for it, but now he can afford it. So now he can get regular physicals to prevent serious conditions from developing. If he gets sick he can go to a doctor or a hospital before his treatment gets really expensive, and his insurance will pay the doctor or the hospital so you don't have to. And when everyone has health insurance, a lot more people will seek health care - meaning more jobs for doctors, nurses, orderlies, hospital administrators, pharmacists, clinic employees, and more -- all kinds of good health-care-related jobs that didn't exist before and that will result in more taxpayers. More jobs, less of a tax burden on the rest of us.

How can you not like this, Mr. GOPer? It helps you.

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Some say it will lead to entrepreneurial boom ErikJ Jul 2012 #1
I would guarantee that. Bonhomme Richard Jul 2012 #4
That's why Big Biz likes the status quo-a kind of feudal dependence and ErikJ Jul 2012 #12
Likewise ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2012 #36
Y'all need to shuddup. We're not supposed to know that. DCKit Jul 2012 #67
THAT is a GREAT MEME, DCKit! "Job Slavery." calimary Jul 2012 #86
Thanks so much, but I think you tooted your own horn in that one. DCKit Jul 2012 #95
I think so too. Hoyt Jul 2012 #13
Yes mzmolly Jul 2012 #17
That's why it has been attacked Courtesy Flush Jul 2012 #20
And they want to prevent competition too!! That's the "Free Market" for ya. ErikJ Jul 2012 #35
I believe our economy will boom Politicub Jul 2012 #21
Yes, which makes it interesting when governors of states like GA say they are pro-business Iris Jul 2012 #23
Rest assured, those states with asshole govs will take the dough-re-mi vlyons Jul 2012 #90
I hope you're right. Iris Jul 2012 #92
Agree Rabid_Rabbit Jul 2012 #62
Could be. It's always interesting to see how these things pan out 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #66
Yes. That was my first thought, as well. closeupready Jul 2012 #77
"Why does everyone hate it?" Because they're being lied to.. vademocrat Jul 2012 #2
"It's like deprogramming cult members"..... Curmudgeoness Jul 2012 #11
Yep. Some of them don't want to know. GoCubsGo Jul 2012 #16
the goosestepping obama haters es35 Jul 2012 #26
+1 Blue_Tires Jul 2012 #81
You are so right sandyshoes17 Jul 2012 #3
Obama Care evalu8tor Jul 2012 #15
A lot of info on this page Life Long Dem Jul 2012 #19
The administration created this site. Blanks Jul 2012 #88
I think the President will make these memes stand out in the debates to come. xtraxritical Jul 2012 #84
Yes, and POTUS is working on that. elleng Jul 2012 #5
OMG, my uninsured brother will have free health coverage in 2014!!!!!!! SunSeeker Jul 2012 #28
Great to hear this, sunseeker! elleng Jul 2012 #37
? Skittles Jul 2012 #6
We assume we will find some work. Just with no benefits. Logical Jul 2012 #9
And this is the problem with the Democrats, we do not know how to communicate PuppyBismark Jul 2012 #7
Don't forget to remind your co-worker, today ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2012 #8
This quiz about ACA has been passed around on FB TBF Jul 2012 #10
OMG catrose Jul 2012 #27
I know - TBF Jul 2012 #30
Yep, 9 out of 10 for me. Ishoutandscream2 Jul 2012 #69
Once you get the results scroll down. pa28 Jul 2012 #76
I did worse Third Doctor Jul 2012 #78
They get the right wings talking points out there in an instant Life Long Dem Jul 2012 #14
"Why does everyone hate it?" The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2012 #18
Yep, misinformation campaigns and infiltrators and vote suppressors. joshcryer Jul 2012 #32
this post has gone viral... :) nebenaube Jul 2012 #60
The folks who hate ACA WANT the guy with no insurance to die. He's poor therefore kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #80
Maybe, though I suspect it's more indifference The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2012 #83
It feels more like malice to me than indifference. Hate motivates kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #91
Well written, all valid points. The PPACA is also designed to save our hospitals. xtraxritical Jul 2012 #85
this needs to be explained. over & over & over & over & over spanone Jul 2012 #22
+1000 Logical Jul 2012 #25
+ 1,000,000 Overs Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2012 #40
Obama The Jungle 1 Jul 2012 #24
How to explain things to the stupid (or the Right... basically the same thing) TalkingDog Jul 2012 #63
I'm surprised that anyone thinks health plans will be affordable. Flatulo Jul 2012 #29
From Consumer Reports YBR31 Jul 2012 #47
Massachusetts plans were initially attractive, but the insurers had several Flatulo Jul 2012 #56
Consumer Reports brochure has example cost YBR31 Jul 2012 #48
Thanks for the link. That's significantly better than our Romneycare. Flatulo Jul 2012 #51
Kaiser family foundion LynnTTT Jul 2012 #31
Bingo its not been adequately explained at a 6th grade level.... Historic NY Jul 2012 #33
The rethugs and their toadies are also working to keep any true facts about ACA off the air. caveat_imperator Jul 2012 #44
Consumer Reports put out a great brochure explaining the benefits and timing of the benefits YBR31 Jul 2012 #34
what price??? Have prices for health care, individual state pools been released? nt Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2012 #38
Example Cost in the law YBR31 Jul 2012 #46
Wow...did not know this !!! Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2012 #39
LOL! All the Massachusetts insurers raised their rates 9.99% Flatulo Jul 2012 #45
Thanks for opening a pair of eyes. 99Forever Jul 2012 #41
"....no one knows the benefits and who it covers...." kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #42
I didn't realize what all was considered preventative xmas74 Jul 2012 #71
LOL, you are such a sweetie! I bet people love you! n-t Logical Jul 2012 #94
I have always thought our side is bad at messaging marlakay Jul 2012 #43
Interesting. Because he had a personal connection with you, he was receptive to Mayberry Machiavelli Jul 2012 #49
and with the faux noise machine......what else are they gonna know. a kennedy Jul 2012 #50
Thanks for doing the job informing him. Bet he feels much better. M$M will never tell, though. Never freshwest Jul 2012 #52
I agree. He is so religious and thinks the GOP is pro-life. What a joke. Logical Jul 2012 #53
Probably some references to stewardship and other verses might help. Or try these websites: freshwest Jul 2012 #59
Thank you for these links!! n-t Logical Jul 2012 #64
Also this group on Facebook xmas74 Jul 2012 #72
Republicans intend to own the Airwaves between August and November, with all their super pac money. General Elector Jul 2012 #54
I came across this link on another site the other day. This should be required TheDebbieDee Jul 2012 #55
Great resource! Thanks! Logical Jul 2012 #57
I am so thankful Tsiyu Jul 2012 #58
You are assuming that opponents of this bill feel shame... Wounded Bear Jul 2012 #68
I'm speaking of the non-politically aware Tsiyu Jul 2012 #70
The Bublicans still control most of the information about ACA. Kablooie Jul 2012 #61
Thank you for educating him XanaDUer Jul 2012 #65
If you get laid off... SnakeEyes Jul 2012 #73
OBAMA CARES, Republicans Don't , Tax the Rich, Romney Won't daybranch Jul 2012 #74
Right you are.... I taught Kindergarten goclark Jul 2012 #75
Thanks for that! Logical Jul 2012 #82
"Why does everyone hate it?" Kennah Jul 2012 #79
Damn straight! EXCELLENT work, Logical! You may have saved someone's soul today! calimary Jul 2012 #87
Thanks!!! n-t Logical Jul 2012 #93
The word IS out!! vlyons Jul 2012 #89
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