after 300 years a woman wins a parties nomination and loses the EC but wins the popular vote

[Squinch]

53. Gracious. You seem to be certain that I am fighting you when I am doing no such thing.

And yes, I will respond.

For ALL of us it is true that Democrats say, "If you can't vote for what we say you can't be a Democrat." The definition of a Democrat is someone who votes for Democratic candidates and Democratic values. One such value is that people own their own bodies. That is a central tenet of the Democratic party. If that is not something that a person can support then, in fact, they are not Democrats.

You can get mad at my saying that, but it is simply true. It is no less true for you or me than it is for the Catholics we are discussing.

If they are waiting for Democrats to say, "We'll make it easy for you. You believe abortion should be illegal, so we'll just take abortion off the table. So come on in to our big tent!" that's not going to happen. Firstly because that goes against a fundamental right of more than half the population to own their own bodies, and a defining value for Democrats is that people own their own bodies. Secondly, and just as a matter of practicality, if Democrats were to do that, they'd gain a few voters and lose a lot more voters from their most loyal base. It would be a politically stupid thing to do.

That's just the reality of the situation. My stating that reality is not me fighting you.

I think the reason these people stay home has little to do with all this. And it certainly isn't because Democrats are being mean to them. I think you stated the reason yourself: they don't give much thought to politics. And I think that will certainly change when they see what havoc their apathy has brought to their own lives.