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In reply to the discussion: Sanders Supporters Get Their Day In Court Against Wasserman Schultz [View all]Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)158. I hope even nonlawyers can realize how absurd your posts are.
All it takes is a little reading comprehension.
You write:
The definition of consumer could not cover a political donor. You wanted to defend this claim and your attempt at legal analysis was amusing. Re read your own post. Again I would never make the silly claims you asserted about the DC consumer protection law without reading the law.
How about you reread my post? How about you identify the claims that I supposedly "defend{ed}" or "asserted"? I pointed this out to you in #156:
{W}hat "claims" did I make about the DC law? I made clear that I hadn't read it, or the regs, or the interpretive decisions. I said only that merely characterizing a statute as one for consumer protection didn't prove that it excluded political donors.
Thus, I never said the statute applied. Notice, incidentally, that when I disagree with you I often quote the statement of yours that I'm disputing. You find it easier to avoid quoting me so that you can attack purported errors I never actually made.
You write:
Contrary to your rather amusing claims, nothing has been proven at this stage. Again we are at the motion to dismiss stage and to date the plaintiff's allegations are unproven and are poorly drafted.
Another fine straw man. I have repeatedly said that nothing about the facts has been proven at this stage. In my #93 in this subthread, to which I specifically directed your attention, I wrote:
If DNC/DWS win this motion, the case will be over. . . . There will be no inquiry into whether the DNC actually did violate its own rule in this instance.
Obviously, I never said that, even without an inquiry, the plaintiffs' factual allegations had been proven. That's why, in #156, I asked:
So what exactly is it in my #149, which you now label "wrong", that you dispute?
Again you can't be bothered to answer.
I've twice qualified my comments in this post by saying that it's the factual allegations in the complaint that haven't been proven. What has been established, by the DNC's motion papers, is its attitude toward its own rules. This was the key point in my #149:
In the motion, the DNC argues that the party rule requiring DNC neutrality is a mere "political promise" that it can violate at will with complete impunity.
There are restrictions on a 12(b)(6) motion, in which plaintiffs don't have to prove their factual allegations and defendants don't have to (indeed, aren't allowed to) disprove them. Therefore, no conclusions can be drawn about the truth of the factual allegations, and I drew none. Nevertheless, we can draw conclusions about the parties' legal positions.
My conclusion is that the DNC does not consider itself bound by its own published rules. My personal opinion is that the Democratic Party should change that position and should either enforce its rules or, if it has decided to go the route of blatant favoritism, change the published rule. Enforcing the rule would be best but changing it, to reflect actual practice, would at least be honest.
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Sanders Supporters Get Their Day In Court Against Wasserman Schultz [View all]
TexasTowelie
Apr 2017
OP
Texas Towelie is not a troll. TT posts news stories from all different parts of
tblue37
Apr 2017
#134
You know the article says the lawsuit was filed before that revelation. Yes?
Hassin Bin Sober
Apr 2017
#95
Yes, however, the emails are what this Hillary hating website states is "evidence"
ehrnst
Apr 2017
#98
I'll be interested to see what evidence they present that those emails were acted upon by DNC.
ehrnst
Apr 2017
#28
The lawsuit was filed on June 28th, but the DNC email release came out on July 22nd.
PotatoChip
Apr 2017
#103
Umm, read the actual complaint filed, it explicitly cites the hacked documents.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#108
Actually, yes they were hacked. By groups affiliated with Russian intelligence.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#126
"You guys". LOL. Well, Russia did hack the DNC and Podesta accounts in order to help
DanTex
Apr 2017
#131
As long as economic issues specific to POC aren't dismissed as 'identity politics"
ehrnst
Apr 2017
#25
The divide is between what that person wants to believe and the facts presented.
stevenleser
Apr 2017
#80
If you have a point that relates to mine, state it. Since you didn't, I assume you don't have one.
stevenleser
Apr 2017
#114
here in California, we remember the AP story saying Hillary already won the night before the primary
yurbud
Apr 2017
#139
The hearing on the motion to dismiss was yesterday, so what's the verdict? I read through some of
seaglass
Apr 2017
#12
Generally decisions aren't made at the hearings themselves, most likely in a few weeks.
George II
Apr 2017
#14
I wasn't sure how long it would take. There are no news articles about this happening yesterday as
seaglass
Apr 2017
#35
The fact that there were no requirements that a candidate have a record of being elected as a Dem
ehrnst
Apr 2017
#29
Yeah. And I don't think I would have much trouble with putting in requirements like that.
Orsino
Apr 2017
#33
It will be interesting to see what the Outreach Director for the DNC has to say about this. (nt)
ehrnst
Apr 2017
#30
My hope is that the DNC doesn't argue that they have every right to favor one candidate
hughee99
Apr 2017
#34
When you say "favor" that means actions, not simply opinions. Important distinction.
ehrnst
Apr 2017
#42
Yes, I'm saying "favor" as in actions, not simply opinions. You can't regulate people's opinions.
hughee99
Apr 2017
#45
So then you have evidence of the "thumb on the scale?" Or that the DNC "argued that they were not
ehrnst
Apr 2017
#49
From this post, it appears you don't understand the implications of the argument.
hughee99
Apr 2017
#62
The DNC has argued already that they have no legal obligation to run a fair primary.
hughee99
Apr 2017
#66
So your contention is that the DNC did not argue that it's under no legal obligation
hughee99
Apr 2017
#75
The DNC can't use that defense on this motion. They are going ONLY with what hughee99 said.
Jim Lane
Apr 2017
#93
Do the pleadings still contain that crazy claim that the DC consumer protection statute applies
Gothmog
Apr 2017
#137
I don't know if that claim is in there. I also don't know whether it's crazy.
Jim Lane
Apr 2017
#141
Have you read the DC law and any interpretive regs and any court decisions applying it?
Jim Lane
Apr 2017
#145
Thanks for the link, but I'm not trying to give it the full-court press of legal research.
Jim Lane
Apr 2017
#147
The public exposure of the DNC's attitude toward its own rules is meaningful.
Jim Lane
Apr 2017
#160
I'm interested to see if there is evidence that "favoritism" amounted to "rigging"
ehrnst
Apr 2017
#102
Yes they did. You obviously did not read the article I provided. It's right there.
PotatoChip
Apr 2017
#113
LOL. The article you provided is alt-left garbage. Read the actual legal brief.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#118
That's why I'm waiting for a neutral source to summarize the claims and defenses
ehrnst
Apr 2017
#116
The other option is to read the legal briefs themselves. Here is the one filed by the defense.
DanTex
Apr 2017
#119
As I stated before - that's not an option because I am not trained as a lawyer or judge
ehrnst
Apr 2017
#123
Do you think it's a good idea to argue that you have the right to do things in a primary
hughee99
Apr 2017
#58
What's in the best interest of the clients isn't always just about winning the case.
hughee99
Apr 2017
#64
I think now is the time to do it. You're as far away from the next primary as you're going to get.
hughee99
Apr 2017
#78
because perpetual grievance against DWS is the most pressing issue in their lives nt
geek tragedy
Apr 2017
#73
Hence JPR where those who want to live their lives focused on non-existent grievances can congregate
stevenleser
Apr 2017
#81
This is why I say we move on work on electing people ...no hope to get the votes of people
Demsrule86
Apr 2017
#111