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Ninsianna

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114. So, when she was a Republican, she was more progressive than Hillary

Sun Apr 30, 2017, 02:11 PM

Apr 2017

who was actually making progress?

No one is suggesting she's not popular, but it's rather odd to think that Trump voters would be receptive to her message. Her "lot" was always with Hillary, with whom she shared issues and a closely matching voting record.

It wasn't "a lot of people" it was a few disaffected people online, a lot of people saw the abuse and the backlash and figured out that this wasn't about progressive ideals at all for some of these people. The same ones who were attacking Planned Parenthood, the Democratic party, its candidate, its voters, and the core principles of liberals/progressives/Democrats, were attacking her.

It is misogyny and the ease and the viciousness with which they turned on her proves exactly what was going on.

Trump voters were not fond of Elizabeth Warren, they rejected the message that she, Hillary and the Democrats have always presented. Suggesting otherwise is a rather strange thing to do.

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Hillary was right about the "Deplorables". [View all] kentuck Apr 2017 OP

Yes and she was right to call them out. nt fun n serious Apr 2017 #1

The "deplorable" comment was a tactical error which is why she tried to mitigate the damage... PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #5

The Kinsley Rule DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2017 #9

The "gaffe" was iniially saying "half" Tom Rinaldo Apr 2017 #13

My gut tells me she didn't lose many who would have truly considered voting for her anyways Norbert9 Apr 2017 #15

I don't think it was about losing votes I think it was about motivating people... PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #22

I see your point. But wasn't turnout mediocre as usual? Norbert9 Apr 2017 #35

ding ding ding...we have a winner! golfguru Apr 2017 #136

SOMEONE NEW Skittles Apr 2017 #164

Or someone the other Party has not spent 30 years attempting to define in the most negative way... kentuck Apr 2017 #166

yes, SOMEONE NEW Skittles Apr 2017 #168

I haven't seen anyone yet. leftofcool May 2017 #189

I wish JFK Jr was alive golfguru May 2017 #192

From what I can tell it was a much bigger deal when she stumbled on 9/11. StevieM Apr 2017 #43

Which is extremely ironic considering Trump on 9/11. Amimnoch Apr 2017 #175

Unless you have links to data showing otherwise, I would argue that KingCharlemagne Apr 2017 #19

You don't insult your opponents' supporters because it gives them motivation to actually... PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #25

Yes, for a whole year, JHan Apr 2017 #28

In a non-polarized electorate, I would agree with you. Is there any data KingCharlemagne Apr 2017 #37

I think that is something that would be hard to show by data. Perhaps the Clinton campaign... PoliticAverse Apr 2017 #62

As I wrote in the post right above yours, I think it was a small thing. Stumbling on 9/11 caused StevieM Apr 2017 #44

My sister took it personally and she is not a racist redstateblues Apr 2017 #60

Then why did she take it personally? Ninsianna Apr 2017 #132

It was poorly nuanced and unwise just like when she said... MrPurple Apr 2017 #134

We lost states that had gone Democratic cheapdate Apr 2017 #178

It was an honest one, and you might want to take a closer listen to her "apology". Ninsianna Apr 2017 #30

Yeah, truth is always a tactical error. nikibatts Apr 2017 #138

I agree with her 10000000%. MSNBC interviewed some of TRUMP's supporters this weekend trueblue2007 Apr 2017 #151

Probably not, BUT if she did Cosmocat May 2017 #187

Deplorable isn't the right word PJMcK Apr 2017 #2

Could not agree more amuse bouche Apr 2017 #158

Yes. She was right about most things. La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2017 #3

Every one that opposed trump safeinOhio Apr 2017 #4

She not only opposed Trump. She called out the people who supported him for Racial reasons fun n serious Apr 2017 #6

Yes, they are, but... William Seger Apr 2017 #18

In this case, it called for someone to point out their ugliness in an aggressive way. fun n serious Apr 2017 #21

Yes, but it could be done without personalizing it William Seger Apr 2017 #24

I agree with you. From a tactical point, it could have gone unsaid IMO. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2017 #27

But she unlike a lot of others, held people accountable for their racism La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2017 #10

Very true. fun n serious Apr 2017 #20

+1000 n/t jaysunb Apr 2017 #143

Even way back when... 2naSalit Apr 2017 #14

indeed La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2017 #23

They are enemies of liberty. roamer65 Apr 2017 #7

I urge everyone to use The Wizard Apr 2017 #156

and their 'president' is the lead deplorable spanone Apr 2017 #8

Unfortunately, being right does not always guarantee success... Wounded Bear Apr 2017 #11

That simple malaise Apr 2017 #12

These are the enemy that feed Trump world wide wally Apr 2017 #16

morons and knuckle draggers. Lil Missy Apr 2017 #17

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Yep! Some were then caught up in the lies of Trump believing him. All Trump voters IMO can't RKP5637 Apr 2017 #29

No they did not. Deplorable was the term attached to the racist, Nazi Ninsianna Apr 2017 #31

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It was a bold... tonedevil Apr 2017 #38

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Yes it gave many... tonedevil Apr 2017 #46

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Those assholes were never going to leave trump ever. Cha Apr 2017 #124

Yeah, Hillary told the truth about the racist asshole trump Cha Apr 2017 #123

This is not about telling the truth karynnj Apr 2017 #153

Do you think that his supporters are deplorable? hrmjustin Apr 2017 #42

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Less than half... tonedevil Apr 2017 #47

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You want... tonedevil Apr 2017 #55

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None of them objected to... tonedevil Apr 2017 #72

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Did you vote for Hillary in November? hrmjustin Apr 2017 #80

Are you saying... tonedevil Apr 2017 #83

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Speak for yourself... tonedevil Apr 2017 #97

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I could point to... tonedevil Apr 2017 #110

I'll remind you that Bernie voted for the crime bill. emulatorloo Apr 2017 #131

This is ridiculous! hrmjustin Apr 2017 #49

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Oh please! hrmjustin Apr 2017 #61

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They made a bad decision and I they have themselves to blame. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #68

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There is no evidence that Sanders would have won. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #71

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those same polls were wrong about last November so they don't have much credibility. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #74

Same polls showed HRC winning as well emulatorloo Apr 2017 #115

maybe she DID WIN Skittles Apr 2017 #169

Agreed! emulatorloo Apr 2017 #170

Are you saying that it was lapucelle Apr 2017 #87

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Refighting the last primary isn't going to help. irisblue Apr 2017 #101

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And no more Clinton bashing as well. Lets move forward and move that orange fool out of our irisblue Apr 2017 #104

Geez. People used to be better at this. Training standards must be going way downhill. Squinch Apr 2017 #112

Lol n/t emulatorloo Apr 2017 #117

No more BS insulting the Democratic Party. Cha Apr 2017 #118

Your memory is incorrect. Sanders supporter here. That 'theory' you're touting emulatorloo Apr 2017 #126

Hey Justin.. Cha Apr 2017 #139

Not surprised based on what he said. hrmjustin Apr 2017 #141

I know.. he gave himself Cha Apr 2017 #142

It wasn't Hillary's campaign that made people "alienated." It was divisive rhetoric smearing R B Garr Apr 2017 #51

It was specifically and distinctly made when she made it. The words matter. Ninsianna Apr 2017 #48

You are so right... tonedevil Apr 2017 #59

Thank you! Ninsianna Apr 2017 #116

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Voters whose top concern was economy voted for Clinton emulatorloo Apr 2017 #119

When you use "economic reasons" to cover for obvious and blatant misogyny Ninsianna Apr 2017 #130

MIRT took action emulatorloo Apr 2017 #135

What's MIRT? Ninsianna Apr 2017 #140

Malicious Intruder Response Team irisblue Apr 2017 #159

The troll patrol? Awesome. Ninsianna Apr 2017 #160

Welcome to DU! emulatorloo Apr 2017 #163

Thank you! Ninsianna Apr 2017 #173

There's no nice way to say Nazi The Wizard Apr 2017 #157

Of, By, and For the People... kentuck Apr 2017 #165

Hillary made the distinction quite clear. lapucelle Apr 2017 #78

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They are certainly worth being reminded lapucelle Apr 2017 #90

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Not so much... tonedevil Apr 2017 #34

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It wasn't ambiguous at all. Ninsianna Apr 2017 #52

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Because they were misogynistic. Ninsianna Apr 2017 #76

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Since her message is the same as Hillary's was, this is an odd assumption. Ninsianna Apr 2017 #82

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"Alot of people viewed that as betrayal" JHan Apr 2017 #86

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Did you vote for Hillary in November? hrmjustin Apr 2017 #92

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As a politician she is entitled to endorse whoever the fuck she wants especially.. JHan Apr 2017 #95

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If your argument is that we lost because Warren endorsed Clinton.. JHan Apr 2017 #103

You personally... tonedevil Apr 2017 #91

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++++++ JHan Apr 2017 #105

What kills me is the lack of this simple truth: JHan Apr 2017 #108

You seem to be... tonedevil Apr 2017 #113

everyone should be. JHan Apr 2017 #122

The last... tonedevil Apr 2017 #125

I don't know what your disagreement is, I'm no psychic. JHan Apr 2017 #128

... emulatorloo Apr 2017 #137

So, when she was a Republican, she was more progressive than Hillary Ninsianna Apr 2017 #114

You have no way of knowing what reception Warren would get until she runs for president. Demit Apr 2017 #120

it's not the same as Romney's statement. JHan Apr 2017 #57

Many of Trump's Deplorables are dyed-in-the-wool misogynists. oasis Apr 2017 #41

That's just not true in most cases. Trump tapped a group that usually don't vote, and some Squinch Apr 2017 #111

So? If they voted for trump they're freaking Deplorable Cha Apr 2017 #121

A failure of... tonedevil Apr 2017 #32

Most certainly she was correct. WellDarn Apr 2017 #39

A Democratic party... tonedevil Apr 2017 #50

That word "supporters" poses similar problems WellDarn Apr 2017 #79

Voting for does seem... tonedevil Apr 2017 #85

Yup rusty fender Apr 2017 #54

Yes Hillary Clinton was correct on this Gothmog Apr 2017 #58

Every day I wish that the ghosts of WWII veterans... Efilroft Sul Apr 2017 #70

Yes indeed Hillary was correct here.... LovingA2andMI Apr 2017 #106

But they are proud Americans whose vote is as good as yours. Kablooie Apr 2017 #107

And they are still... LovingA2andMI Apr 2017 #109

I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. Adrahil May 2017 #193

Right or wrong ...... BlueJac Apr 2017 #127

I would argue that E Warren lapucelle Apr 2017 #145

Warren is 3 times more articulate than Clinton golfguru Apr 2017 #171

They both have the ability lapucelle Apr 2017 #179

Yes she was Tiphill Apr 2017 #129

I agree Bradical79 Apr 2017 #133

I guess I am a little confused. WellDarn Apr 2017 #144

it means Trump's appeal crossed class lines among that demographic. JHan Apr 2017 #146

Totally agree WellDarn Apr 2017 #148

I think we are , thing is.. JHan Apr 2017 #155

Right or wrong, it was very very poor politics karynnj Apr 2017 #147

Correct BeyondGeography Apr 2017 #149

It was our version of Mitt Romney's "47%" comment. Initech Apr 2017 #161

It was not the same as Romneys 47% remark. JHan May 2017 #182

She was right 20 years ago about the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2017 #150

+1. dalton99a May 2017 #191

Doesn't matter anymore. Hindsight is 20/20 dreamland Apr 2017 #152

Of course she was. Freethinker65 Apr 2017 #154

She was right about a lot of things NastyRiffraff Apr 2017 #162

I will take a winner over being right golfguru Apr 2017 #174

Warren wasn't "on the stump" NastyRiffraff May 2017 #185

Sanders wins without DNC shenanigans golfguru May 2017 #194

There was nothing that the DNC could have done, or did do, to affect the outcome of the race. StevieM May 2017 #195

Wait just a minute golfguru May 2017 #196

The super delegates would have all shifted to Sanders if he had won the pledged delegates. StevieM May 2017 #202

+++++++++ JHan May 2017 #199

LOL!!!! NastyRiffraff May 2017 #200

yes she was and yes they are. NRaleighLiberal Apr 2017 #167

Its really too bad KTM Apr 2017 #172

Enough of the Casper Milktoast shit... NoMoreRepugs Apr 2017 #176

She should have doubled down Nevernose Apr 2017 #180

agree 100% NoMoreRepugs May 2017 #190

This Twitter thread has an interesting analysis of it: Saviolo Apr 2017 #177

Some insightful observations in there, thanks for sharing JHan May 2017 #197

Hillary should never have apologized... benpollard Apr 2017 #181

Exactly, the comment rallied the Dem base, radius777 May 2017 #183

It was , for me...the proudest moment. JHan May 2017 #198

I never understood the backing away from that remark lovemydogs May 2017 #184

unfortunately, not enough deplorables know they are deplorable mdbl May 2017 #186

a deplorable under every stone bora13 May 2017 #188

She damm sure was! nt jrthin May 2017 #201

The reason why people hated the "deplorables" line forjusticethunders May 2017 #203