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Those who look to the New Deal as a possible model for Democratic economic policies in this era... [View all] Ken Burch Apr 2017 OP

Well it's a reason for most of us to side eye that nostalgia because it goes hand in hand... bettyellen Apr 2017 #1

The New Deal didn't CAUSE Jim Crow...Jim Crow had been there since 1876. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #2

The new deal WAS the govt intervening to help some people while keeping others down. It not only bettyellen Apr 2017 #3

No, I don't think that's all that happened. You'd have ever right to be angry if I did think that. Ken Burch May 2017 #11

Didn't say you wanted to replicate anything. For fucks sake. bettyellen May 2017 #20

I agree that if you phrase it as "let's go BACK to the Thirties", that it wouldn't resonate Ken Burch May 2017 #29

If you scan this thread the level of denial about how perfect the program was bettyellen May 2017 #31

Redefine the proposition summaries needed, re-examine the breadth and width of any policies LanternWaste May 2017 #62

Your views are decidedly ahistorical and unsupported by any professional KingCharlemagne May 2017 #41

Before I spend the $10 to get the book ... moriah May 2017 #50

Thank you. Obviously that poster read one book that convinced them it was all roses... bettyellen May 2017 #52

The reviews of it are fairly good. moriah May 2017 #56

People believe what is convenient for them at times. And if you read this thread ... bettyellen May 2017 #57

bettyellen is an African-American woman. Ken Burch May 2017 #61

I guess we could debate the historical validity of BettyEllen's statement that "The new deal KingCharlemagne May 2017 #66

That was not the intent of the New Deal. Ken Burch May 2017 #67

This is utter horseshit melman May 2017 #7

Not to the many who were shut out of the opportunities it presented. bettyellen May 2017 #24

I alerted on that post. Ken Burch May 2017 #27

It wasn't horseshit, it was ignorant bullshit. - nt KingCharlemagne May 2017 #43

You need to listen to what she is saying. Ken Burch May 2017 #46

+Infinity - nt KingCharlemagne May 2017 #44

The New Deal was not "tainted." FDR was a giant among men. WinkyDink May 2017 #17

No more than everything in the US today is tainted by this being an country that makes war on others David__77 May 2017 #51

You may not be, but many are. radius777 Apr 2017 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author melman Apr 2017 #5

"white hipsters" melman Apr 2017 #6

Because of New Deal policies and it stabilizing lovemydogs May 2017 #9

Yet it's the economically secure that are hating on POC and equal rights for women right now. There bettyellen May 2017 #22

ALMOST Nobody is asking anyone to "wait around for equal rights". Ken Burch May 2017 #26

The post I responded to sure made excuses about people "having patience" for others civil rights bettyellen May 2017 #28

I agree that no one should tell you to "have patience". Ken Burch May 2017 #30

lovemydogs, no white people will ever have any right to lecture people of color about "patience" Ken Burch May 2017 #32

"The New Deal era was not a good time for PoC/women/gays"... NO ERA WAS! phleshdef May 2017 #12

But, A New Deal Veep turned President, Harry Truman lovemydogs May 2017 #14

That's simply not accurate. LanternWaste May 2017 #64

They didn't start, but those communities were excluded... Ken Burch May 2017 #47

I agree that there were exclusions and injustices(such as redlining)in the New Deal era. Ken Burch May 2017 #13

Bernie Sanders never had a problem with minorities or women, unlike some think lovemydogs May 2017 #16

No, Bernie never had a problem, but you're not listening to what she is saying. Ken Burch May 2017 #35

Who ever said anything about bringing back Jim Crow. lovemydogs May 2017 #8

The point has been made, and it is a valid point, Ken Burch May 2017 #15

WTH are you on about?! WinkyDink May 2017 #18

I'm addressing the justified anger and distrust bettyellen expressed upthread. Ken Burch May 2017 #25

I appreciate your effort to unify, but it wasn't well received by that poster. Buckeye_Democrat May 2017 #42

It was the Southern Democrats. lovemydogs May 2017 #19

We need to acknowledge that a wrong was done to communities of color then, though. Ken Burch May 2017 #33

"Civil rights and women's rights are now standard" you could have fooled us. bettyellen May 2017 #23

You're right, that was an indefensible thing for that poster to say. Ken Burch May 2017 #34

And no, civil rights and women's rights are NOT standard now. Ken Burch May 2017 #37

If anything. I'm glad you got to see and hear what we do, Ken. bettyellen May 2017 #45

What I said there is what I've always said AND what I've always believed. Ken Burch May 2017 #58

If you look at how often people want to remove the policies from any context on the bettyellen May 2017 #60

Anyone who thinks the New Deal was about anti equality lovemydogs May 2017 #10

It's about historical memory. Ken Burch May 2017 #21

During the New Deal period FDR supported the Allies... Expecting Rain May 2017 #36

It's not isolationism...it's a recognition that there's little more that can be achieved through war Ken Burch May 2017 #38

The Problem is There are Many People who would only support New Deal WITH Jim CRow JI7 May 2017 #39

FWIW, none of us are saying that we SHOULDN'T deal with the bigotry. Ken Burch May 2017 #48

I think the new deal was remarkable and even more remarkable for its time that it became law. Demsrule86 May 2017 #40

Killing Jim Crow indirectly killed the New Deal LeftInTX May 2017 #49

Yeah, the history is complicated. Good point. bettyellen May 2017 #54

The only thing is, even with what happened, Ken Burch May 2017 #59

yup, just like Obama's speech . people turn against things when black people or other non white men JI7 May 2017 #69

For a second I thought this was a Freedom caucus thread... bagelsforbreakfast May 2017 #53

The New Deal has been modified and improved loyalsister May 2017 #55

good point on a guaranteed basic income. Ken Burch May 2017 #68

Too late BainsBane May 2017 #63

I'm not gaslighting. Ken Burch May 2017 #65

... betsuni May 2017 #70