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Ken Burch

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13. I agree that there were exclusions and injustices(such as redlining)in the New Deal era.

Mon May 1, 2017, 01:25 AM

May 2017

But doesn't it go without saying that programs on that model, if they were set up today, would be FREE of such outrages?

If you don't trust in that, what would it take to GET you to trust in that?

BTW, it's not as though the country would be LESS racist if the New Deal hadn't happened(that is, if the country had stayed right-wing on economics in the Thirties and no effort had been made to use governmental means to get people back to work).

Life was just as bad, if not worse, for peoples of color in the Harding-Coolidge-Hoover Thirties.

And the Sanders campaign never wanted blacks, Latinos, women or LGBTQ people to be LESS important to the Democratic Party than they were under Obama. We wanted the Obama coalition AND working-class people of all races(as well as the young of all races)to matter, and for the poor to matter as much as the rich.

We were never fighting for rural white privilege.

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Those who look to the New Deal as a possible model for Democratic economic policies in this era... [View all] Ken Burch Apr 2017 OP

Well it's a reason for most of us to side eye that nostalgia because it goes hand in hand... bettyellen Apr 2017 #1

The New Deal didn't CAUSE Jim Crow...Jim Crow had been there since 1876. Ken Burch Apr 2017 #2

The new deal WAS the govt intervening to help some people while keeping others down. It not only bettyellen May 2017 #3

No, I don't think that's all that happened. You'd have ever right to be angry if I did think that. Ken Burch May 2017 #11

Didn't say you wanted to replicate anything. For fucks sake. bettyellen May 2017 #20

I agree that if you phrase it as "let's go BACK to the Thirties", that it wouldn't resonate Ken Burch May 2017 #29

If you scan this thread the level of denial about how perfect the program was bettyellen May 2017 #31

Redefine the proposition summaries needed, re-examine the breadth and width of any policies LanternWaste May 2017 #62

Your views are decidedly ahistorical and unsupported by any professional KingCharlemagne May 2017 #41

Before I spend the $10 to get the book ... moriah May 2017 #50

Thank you. Obviously that poster read one book that convinced them it was all roses... bettyellen May 2017 #52

The reviews of it are fairly good. moriah May 2017 #56

People believe what is convenient for them at times. And if you read this thread ... bettyellen May 2017 #57

bettyellen is an African-American woman. Ken Burch May 2017 #61

I guess we could debate the historical validity of BettyEllen's statement that "The new deal KingCharlemagne May 2017 #66

That was not the intent of the New Deal. Ken Burch May 2017 #67

This is utter horseshit melman May 2017 #7

Not to the many who were shut out of the opportunities it presented. bettyellen May 2017 #24

I alerted on that post. Ken Burch May 2017 #27

It wasn't horseshit, it was ignorant bullshit. - nt KingCharlemagne May 2017 #43

You need to listen to what she is saying. Ken Burch May 2017 #46

+Infinity - nt KingCharlemagne May 2017 #44

The New Deal was not "tainted." FDR was a giant among men. WinkyDink May 2017 #17

No more than everything in the US today is tainted by this being an country that makes war on others David__77 May 2017 #51

You may not be, but many are. radius777 May 2017 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author melman May 2017 #5

"white hipsters" melman May 2017 #6

Because of New Deal policies and it stabilizing lovemydogs May 2017 #9

Yet it's the economically secure that are hating on POC and equal rights for women right now. There bettyellen May 2017 #22

ALMOST Nobody is asking anyone to "wait around for equal rights". Ken Burch May 2017 #26

The post I responded to sure made excuses about people "having patience" for others civil rights bettyellen May 2017 #28

I agree that no one should tell you to "have patience". Ken Burch May 2017 #30

lovemydogs, no white people will ever have any right to lecture people of color about "patience" Ken Burch May 2017 #32

"The New Deal era was not a good time for PoC/women/gays"... NO ERA WAS! phleshdef May 2017 #12

But, A New Deal Veep turned President, Harry Truman lovemydogs May 2017 #14

That's simply not accurate. LanternWaste May 2017 #64

They didn't start, but those communities were excluded... Ken Burch May 2017 #47

I agree that there were exclusions and injustices(such as redlining)in the New Deal era. Ken Burch May 2017 #13

Bernie Sanders never had a problem with minorities or women, unlike some think lovemydogs May 2017 #16

No, Bernie never had a problem, but you're not listening to what she is saying. Ken Burch May 2017 #35

Who ever said anything about bringing back Jim Crow. lovemydogs May 2017 #8

The point has been made, and it is a valid point, Ken Burch May 2017 #15

WTH are you on about?! WinkyDink May 2017 #18

I'm addressing the justified anger and distrust bettyellen expressed upthread. Ken Burch May 2017 #25

I appreciate your effort to unify, but it wasn't well received by that poster. Buckeye_Democrat May 2017 #42

It was the Southern Democrats. lovemydogs May 2017 #19

We need to acknowledge that a wrong was done to communities of color then, though. Ken Burch May 2017 #33

"Civil rights and women's rights are now standard" you could have fooled us. bettyellen May 2017 #23

You're right, that was an indefensible thing for that poster to say. Ken Burch May 2017 #34

And no, civil rights and women's rights are NOT standard now. Ken Burch May 2017 #37

If anything. I'm glad you got to see and hear what we do, Ken. bettyellen May 2017 #45

What I said there is what I've always said AND what I've always believed. Ken Burch May 2017 #58

If you look at how often people want to remove the policies from any context on the bettyellen May 2017 #60

Anyone who thinks the New Deal was about anti equality lovemydogs May 2017 #10

It's about historical memory. Ken Burch May 2017 #21

During the New Deal period FDR supported the Allies... Expecting Rain May 2017 #36

It's not isolationism...it's a recognition that there's little more that can be achieved through war Ken Burch May 2017 #38

The Problem is There are Many People who would only support New Deal WITH Jim CRow JI7 May 2017 #39

FWIW, none of us are saying that we SHOULDN'T deal with the bigotry. Ken Burch May 2017 #48

I think the new deal was remarkable and even more remarkable for its time that it became law. Demsrule86 May 2017 #40

Killing Jim Crow indirectly killed the New Deal LeftInTX May 2017 #49

Yeah, the history is complicated. Good point. bettyellen May 2017 #54

The only thing is, even with what happened, Ken Burch May 2017 #59

yup, just like Obama's speech . people turn against things when black people or other non white men JI7 May 2017 #69

For a second I thought this was a Freedom caucus thread... bagelsforbreakfast May 2017 #53

The New Deal has been modified and improved loyalsister May 2017 #55

good point on a guaranteed basic income. Ken Burch May 2017 #68

Too late BainsBane May 2017 #63

I'm not gaslighting. Ken Burch May 2017 #65

... betsuni May 2017 #70