Those who look to the New Deal as a possible model for Democratic economic policies in this era...

[Ken Burch]

38. It's not isolationism...it's a recognition that there's little more that can be achieved through war

It's not as though the ONLY way this country can have influence in the world is to kill people-and it's not as though there's much of anything else we can ever make better in the Arab/Muslim world through the use of force.

We can't get into a military conflict with Russia or China without ending the world, either.

Bernie would have supported World War Two...he's not an absolute pacifist.

It's the wars we fought before that(all of which, other than the Civil War, were reactionary and useless) and most of those we fought after that, few if any of which achieved anything, that he is skeptical about.

He's fine with engaging with the world...just not in ways that do damage to the world.

Can you really think of any place on the planet where the use of American or European force is making anything better or WOULD make anything better...at least for anybody other than the owners of armaments countries?

As to class war...you may have missed the part where FDR called the rich "the malefactors of great wealth". Roosevelt's greatness was that he was a hereditary multimillionaire who became a class traitor, and PROUDLY so.

And he's right that we should acknowledge that pretty much everything we ever did in Latin America(with the sole exception of the non-military part of the Alliance for Progress)was reactionary, unjust, and a waste of money, resources and lives.

(This thread isn't ABOUT Bernie, btw...it's about the idea of creating new New Deal-type programs-an idea that isn't unique to Bernie or his campaign. So I won't be posting any more about him in this thread and would ask everyone else not to try to turn this into a Bernie thread, either.)