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muriel_volestrangler

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58. Poll: Partisan Polarization Surges in Bush, Obama Years
Wed Jul 4, 2012, 07:13 AM
Jul 2012
As Americans head to the polls this November, their values and basic beliefs are more polarized along partisan lines than at any point in the past 25 years. Unlike in 1987, when this series of surveys began, the values gap between Republicans and Democrats is now greater than gender, age, race or class divides.

Overall, there has been much more stability than change across the 48 political values measures that the Pew Research Center has tracked since 1987. But the average partisan gap has nearly doubled over this 25-year period – from 10 percentage points in 1987 to 18 percentage points in the new study.

Nearly all of the increases have occurred during the presidencies of George W. Bush and Barack Obama. During this period, both parties’ bases have often been critical of their parties for not standing up for their traditional positions. Currently, 71% of Republicans and 58% of Democrats say their parties have not done a good job in this regard.
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In recent years, both parties have become smaller and more ideologically homogeneous. Republicans are dominated by self-described conservatives, while a smaller but growing number of Democrats call themselves liberals. Among Republicans, conservatives continue to outnumber moderates by about two-to-one. And there are now as many liberal Democrats as moderate Democrats.

http://www.people-press.org/2012/06/04/partisan-polarization-surges-in-bush-obama-years/


So it does seem that there is a demand for more separation; but this also seems to be a new thing. Consider that there used to be Eisenhower and Rockefeller Republicans. That 71% of Republicans saying their party doesn't stand for its 'traditional' positions are ignoring that kind of Republican, and concentrating on people like Barry Goldwater, or fringe loons like the John Birch Society, and deciding that is their 'tradition'.

This page goes into more detail about the divide: http://www.people-press.org/2012/06/04/section-1-understanding-the-partisan-divide-over-american-values/ . Democratic shifts have been to become more supportive of immigrants, more concerned about equal opportunities, and less religious; Republicans care far less about a social safety net, and the environment, and hate unions far more than they used to.

It seems to me, however, that most candidates reflect these pretty clearly. If there were still moderate Republicans around, you might have a point - Democratic candidates might look similar to them. But moderate Republicans are like coelacanths - a few of them hidden away, and largely seen as 'living fossils'.

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This is just my opinion... [View all] kentuck Jul 2012 OP
I agree.... vi5 Jul 2012 #1
Yes, it is largely how the issues were framed... rfranklin Jul 2012 #2
Or a similar example of that... JHB Jul 2012 #6
+1, I read somewhere Luntz et al are MASTERS at framing to get out conservative emotions.... uponit7771 Jul 2012 #21
Agree ewagner Jul 2012 #3
so you have your personal view about the differences, but I strongly disagree bigtree Jul 2012 #4
I think the present reality proves you wrong. kentuck Jul 2012 #7
dude bigtree Jul 2012 #10
I disagree with your politics. kentuck Jul 2012 #47
I admire your patience. Kaleko Jul 2012 #52
Questioning the motives of folks who answer your posts isn't 'patience' bigtree Jul 2012 #60
so you make another smart ass assumption bigtree Jul 2012 #59
Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #61
still attacking bigtree Jul 2012 #63
My post says, "This is just my opinion..." kentuck Jul 2012 #64
I didn't attack you at all, I said I disagreed. bigtree Jul 2012 #65
Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #68
"This is just my opinion-- XXX is an asshat." Yet for some reason, XXX got mad... LanternWaste Jul 2012 #74
Most of todays dems Teamster Jeff Jul 2012 #27
Yes but only on things that don't matter to the 1% zeemike Jul 2012 #11
well, that's pretty much how most folks operate in real life bigtree Jul 2012 #13
Oh it is definitely the influence of the media... zeemike Jul 2012 #29
People like being told what to think, what to feel. raouldukelives Jul 2012 #37
+1 freshwest Jul 2012 #38
So true. zeemike Jul 2012 #43
I think you are right, in a public context Shankapotomus Jul 2012 #5
The Republicans think that, too. That's why they don't like Romney. Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #8
ACA was originally called "ROMNEYCARE", when it was first implemented in Mass, though. Romulox Jul 2012 #23
Yep spot on /nt jimlup Jul 2012 #9
I agree deutsey Jul 2012 #12
I keep looking for a concrete list canoeist52 Jul 2012 #14
Yes, we can pick up a lot more votes by moving left than (further) right. Scuba Jul 2012 #15
The undecided voter is in the middle unfortunately flamingdem Jul 2012 #67
A full 40% of the electorate sits on their hands during a PRESIDENTIAL election... Scuba Jul 2012 #69
Well since neither side will do that - flamingdem Jul 2012 #71
And we enable them when we don't demand they refute the lies and move left. Scuba Jul 2012 #73
IF we retake the house and win the senate + Potus flamingdem Jul 2012 #75
Republicans stay on message. Always. democrat_patriot Jul 2012 #16
Obamney care some clever DUer called it yesterday! CrispyQ Jul 2012 #31
K&R. As you say, tax policies, defense spending, poverty, equality, human rights, Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #17
Really? Do you think voters are guessing between rep and dems? aikoaiko Jul 2012 #18
Not the philosophical differences but what dems will stand up AGAINST and hollar loud about... uponit7771 Jul 2012 #20
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2012 #19
Economic policy is nearly 1:1: Deregulation, "free trade", bank bailouts, tax cuts for the rich, Romulox Jul 2012 #22
We need a WPA style jobs program abelenkpe Jul 2012 #34
The DC Media needs to get out of DC too. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #24
K&R. I agree. Overseas Jul 2012 #25
Sad, but all too true.... Wounded Bear Jul 2012 #26
You can't look at Presidential politics for your answer. CaptJasHook Jul 2012 #28
+1.000 freshwest Jul 2012 #39
Perhaps, but I have a caution to this - the gulf between the informed and uninformed NRaleighLiberal Jul 2012 #30
Majority of people vote emotionally, not rationally or reasonably. harun Jul 2012 #32
Most Americans vote for the last and loudest commercial they see. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #77
I agree, and frogmarch Jul 2012 #33
I think the problem is that debate in this country is basically over conservative ideas Johonny Jul 2012 #35
Agreed. YoungDemCA Jul 2012 #46
'NAFTA on Steroids': The Trans-Pacific Partnership (Why didn't we know) CrispyQ Jul 2012 #36
+1 (nt) rbnyc Jul 2012 #55
It's 99% media saturation Doctor_J Jul 2012 #40
There is plenty of difference kctim Jul 2012 #41
Now Election Can't Encourage People. tofayel Jul 2012 #42
Politicians seek votes, and the money to get votes. Not ideals, honesty, or even decency. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #44
Capitalism or capitalism lite, basically. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jul 2012 #45
Starting to look more like fascism or fascism lite. nt whatchamacallit Jul 2012 #48
An opinion shared by many of us. 99Forever Jul 2012 #49
I agree. CanSocDem Jul 2012 #50
I agree the Dems have moved much closer to the Reps on many issues but ... Kablooie Jul 2012 #51
I think the philosophical difference is clearly defined. Democrats favor the working man while cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #53
Both parties have actually moved away from each other. joshcryer Jul 2012 #54
During election season. They know we have the memory of a brain damaged gnat. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #78
I agree too, totally. nt Raine Jul 2012 #56
It's the "play nice" problem Scootaloo Jul 2012 #57
Poll: Partisan Polarization Surges in Bush, Obama Years muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #58
Social and economic dtom67 Jul 2012 #62
I disagree fervently flamingdem Jul 2012 #66
How very classy. Have the OP banned from his own thread and then continue your rant. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #70
I think that would help in some ways - hurt in some other ways hfojvt Jul 2012 #72
this is largely what I've been saying since 2000.... mike_c Jul 2012 #76
As usual, Chomsky nails it: coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #79
¡ Of course ! Kaleko Jul 2012 #80
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