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In reply to the discussion: I know this is going to be unpopular but I am friends with and I understand many Trump supporters [View all]
MedusaX
(1,129 posts)89. Basically, you assert that one must be 'labeled' D or R in order to exercise their right to vote..
Which is clearly not the case...
You also indicated that these newly disenchanted 45 supporters voted for him less than 200 days ago because they didn't like where the country was headed.....
this being a direction pointed toward continued participation in a global market...
Toward expanding and strengthening Individual rights ....
Toward welcoming immigrants and refugees... toward increasing citizenship opportunities for those who lack documentation....
Toward respecting everyone
regardless of similarities or differences in
beliefs, origins, languages, physical appearances, reproductive choices, gender identity and sexual orientation .....
But that issue by issue they are 'coming around '?
What this translates to is
Issue by Issue...
45 has failed to satisfy their desire for 'changes in direction'
And they now realize that he has no intention of satisfying their desire.....
which now means they can no longer use the promise of directional change
to justify his behaviors
Fine.
In the next election they can vote for someone else..
No problem.
The idea that well
they would be democrats but you know they just dont like what the label stands for ...
So ummmm like maybe Dems could like accommodate these really busy disenchanted 45 voters....
you know by cleaning up that nasty Dem Label's reputation and
like you know maybe
Just changing the platform to one that is acceptable to these nice people
who fucked the whole world over by voting for 45.....
You know...
the Dem label would be like totally appealing to them if it represented like
A little bit of racism...
and a little xenophobia...
and definitely more misogynistic tolerance
Maybe you could accommodate their White Nationalist friends too...
I mean as long as the Dem label like said
ok not totally the best race ever...
but for sure better than the others...
Then they would join too!!!
Please.
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I know this is going to be unpopular but I am friends with and I understand many Trump supporters [View all]
tecelote
May 2017
OP
Your argument is that THEY made a terrible mistake, so WE need to compromise to accomodate
Squinch
May 2017
#99
They are my family. I know them. They aren't actually listening to you any more than they're
Squinch
May 2017
#116
Like you my family members are pretty much unreachable and I will not even try
GulfCoast66
May 2017
#157
What do you think we need to do to stem the losses nationally and win elections?
Red Oak
May 2017
#259
Well, since you ask. I didn't think this first point needed to be said but obviously it does given
Squinch
May 2017
#339
It all depends on what media they are consuming; that determines what universe they inhabit.
Amaryllis
May 2017
#143
Exactly the cyclical brick wall I encounter attempting to make discussion with the Faux-faithful
lambchopp59
May 2017
#185
I have noticed how much the local TV newshas influence, mainley the 10 & 11 PM
Jim Beard
May 2017
#222
I'm really frustrated with our campaigns for this reason though. What you say is not
Squinch
May 2017
#340
So you're saying we just didn't TALK TO THEM ENOUGH last year?? We hid our ideas, plans, and
WinkyDink
May 2017
#216
Don't think that is what OP is saying at all. Just saying don't NOT talk to them if they are willing
Amaryllis
May 2017
#346
They may feel betrayed by Trump but they would vote for Pence in a heartbeat
PaulRevere08
May 2017
#331
If they voted for racists trump they are a deplorable POS just like him...
stonecutter357
May 2017
#5
Agreed. The horrid "Grab Em" tape was everywhere, they could not have missed it.
Laurian
May 2017
#44
+++ agree. they may have good hearts, but they let politics override it. That's sad.
iluvtennis
May 2017
#46
I'm sorry, but how can anyone truly have "a good heart" and still vote for that pos?
catbyte
May 2017
#334
The media they consume brainwashes/hypnotizes them. Consequently, they are in a trance and
Amaryllis
May 2017
#348
Yes, OP is trying to justify people who voted for Trump BECAUSE he said racist things
anneboleyn
May 2017
#66
A BIG reason why tRump voters are that way is because of lazy profit-driven media.
Bernardo de La Paz
May 2017
#76
Point. Although -- distrust of education is familial/cultural, corporately sponsored, and why.
byronius
May 2017
#112
why don't you answer the question about what they thought of the attacks on hispanics
JI7
May 2017
#85
It would be easier to accept their regrets had TRUMP NOT BECOME POTUS. NOW IT'S TOO DAMN LATE.
WinkyDink
May 2017
#73
This a million times. THEY HAVE WON. So they should go ahead and outlaw abortion. Do it.
Nay
May 2017
#196
So my right to own my own body has to take a back seat, as a 'wedge issue.' What are YOU going to
Squinch
May 2017
#150
So they are the good Germans? The ones who just wanted Germany to be great again? Are they defending
The Wielding Truth
May 2017
#168
So true... You need to make sure you are making a positive change and not a negative one n/t
Zing Zing Zingbah
May 2017
#78
I agree with you. It's very hard to take the rage but we have to to make progress.
nolabear
May 2017
#24
But shaming isn't only aimed at one person; it's also to get others to see how bad the behaviour is
muriel_volestrangler
May 2017
#309
They committed a crime against America and against the norms of liberal democracy. they need to be
KingCharlemagne
May 2017
#320
You can't claim to not pay attention while simultaneously saying you want change.
onecaliberal
May 2017
#29
EXACTLY. But the "good" people blame Obama. Gee I wonder why?! I don't buy OP's narrative
anneboleyn
May 2017
#93
If someone supports Trump saying "Grab them by the pussy", they are sexist.
uppityperson
May 2017
#195
Exactly. It also was no mystery that trump is a racist and bigot. People who voted
still_one
May 2017
#205
Young people better understand that their forever conservative families are responsible for choosing
onecaliberal
May 2017
#197
My best guess, they were foolish and bought the "establishment" rhetoric?
herding cats
May 2017
#146
i don't think it makes them any different from typical trump voter. in the end they still voted for
JI7
May 2017
#188
Giving up on women's rights is NOT going to make things better either. Or gay rights, or the rights
Squinch
May 2017
#163
No, I don't owe you an apology. I'm pointing out that this "reach across the aisle" that is
Squinch
May 2017
#177
If you're going to take umbrage and demand apologies when people expand upon your points
Squinch
May 2017
#338
"They voted to change the status quo" "They just voted Republican like they always did"
muriel_volestrangler
May 2017
#225
"Don't accuse every single person on the other side of being a bigot or a misogynist."
tecelote
May 2017
#63
It's quie possible they never watch any news, or ONLY watch local. My husband never watches any
napi21
May 2017
#101
+1 You have a sober calm assessment of the state of mind of many Trump voters. . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
May 2017
#71
"...they do not like the direction the country is going." And what way, under Obama, would that be?
WinkyDink
May 2017
#72
They hated that blacks, Muslims, Jews, Hispanics , women, and glbtq people were treated with dignity
DemocratSinceBirth
May 2017
#258
FTS. Pardon my French. I give NO QUARTER to Republicans, whatever the hell their "ONLY" is.
WinkyDink
May 2017
#83
You can do that while striving to understand their mindset at the same time. . . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
May 2017
#161
Intelligent people already get the "mindset" of the ignorant. They aren't tough nuts to
WinkyDink
May 2017
#220
You edited it after I had seen it / began composing my reply and before I hit Post Reply. . .nt
Bernardo de La Paz
May 2017
#322
Ships in the night happen from time to time. Posted #325 to one response.
Bernardo de La Paz
May 2017
#326
I can certainly agree that most arguments (including that one and many of mine) are simplistic.
Bernardo de La Paz
May 2017
#328
The edited body of your post makes same confusion as another poster.
Bernardo de La Paz
May 2017
#325
How did we get here? How does someone look at their crumbling bridge and not realize that they
Squinch
May 2017
#172
This makes me wish I could rec a post. I, too, live among them, and know exactly what you mean.
Tarheel_Dem
May 2017
#199
I experience the same from trump voters, as I say in my response see 211.
Lyricalinklines
May 2017
#212
Sorry but this is the biggest pile of shit that I have seen shoveled here in the past year.
William769
May 2017
#81
What does that look like? What does it look like when we "stop excluding people and putting them
Squinch
May 2017
#82
Maybe you could poll these friends and find out the direction they want the US to head..
Tikki
May 2017
#86
Yes exactly. Because a booming economy (saved by Obama from a historic disaster),
Squinch
May 2017
#94
Basically, you assert that one must be 'labeled' D or R in order to exercise their right to vote..
MedusaX
May 2017
#89
One of the primary responsibilities of being a US Citizen is to be informed about the issues
mtngirl47
May 2017
#98
By the time Trumps done there won't be enough of the status quo to recognize...
Historic NY
May 2017
#104
I know this is going to be unpopular but I am friends with and I understand many Trump supporters.
LenaBaby61
May 2017
#120
The Trump supporters that I know are puritan racist Christians who believe God gave us Donald Trump.
Zen Democrat
May 2017
#133
I have no more fucks to give about "Trump Voters". If they could still vote for him after the....
Tarheel_Dem
May 2017
#141
Take Wisconsin. The Walker/trump voters are letting a great university system be decimated.
LuvLoogie
May 2017
#158
I have a lot of avoided conversations with the very few Trump supporters that I still talk to.
hay rick
May 2017
#203
These supposed "solid Americans" saw outright racism, bigotry, the violence it indulged in
Ninsianna
May 2017
#198
I consider these people to be backwards too, fighting as they do and embracing their own
Ninsianna
May 2017
#215
I don't buy it. You didn't need to listen to the news to know that trump is a racist, sexist, and
still_one
May 2017
#204
Fake News CNN! Enemies of the people! My taxes are secret! Nasty woman! Oh, yeah; Trump voters
WinkyDink
May 2017
#223
After reading this thread, I am, frankly, stunned by Democrats who have so many Trump supporters as
WinkyDink
May 2017
#221
Final comment: I'll measure the regret of these "good Americans" by the election results in 2018.
WinkyDink
May 2017
#224
Virtually nothing would change the status quo as much as voting for our first woman President.
CousinIT
May 2017
#242
My guess is that many who "voted to change the status quo" now miss the "status quo"!
George II
May 2017
#248
Everyone who voted for trump knew he is a racist and a bigot and still voted for him.
still_one
May 2017
#253
If "they pay little attention to the news", then they're not "good solid Americans".
dsharp88
May 2017
#264
at times like this I like to refer to The Oatmeal (internet comic) to speak for me...
Javaman
May 2017
#267
"They pay little attention to the news and what is happening in the world . . ."
hatrack
May 2017
#270
He blasted his racist, sexist, bigoted bullshit with a megaphone and they didn't hear it?
JTFrog
May 2017
#281
"They pay little attention to the news and what is happening in the world.."
LudwigPastorius
May 2017
#285
I have trouble getting past the fact that they KNOWINGLY voted for a self-admitted sexual
niyad
May 2017
#287
Trying to appeal to these idiots is not the best use of our time. We need to energize our base.
SunSeeker
May 2017
#288
It's an absolute waste of time talking to them. Deplorables will not vote Democratic.
dalton99a
May 2017
#293
They gambled Americans future. Don't think they care thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..........aaaaaaaaaaaat much!
Madam45for2923
May 2017
#297
I need to know what Republicans did during Obama to warrant any of their votes.
tenderfoot
May 2017
#306
This is a very important question. And just more weight on the "Yep, they're bigots and sexists"
Squinch
May 2017
#341
Exactly what has happened. Trump and his cohorts used them for their vote. They've been
RKP5637
May 2017
#327
I know this is going to be unpopular but I am friends with and I understand many Hitler
KingCharlemagne
May 2017
#312
I know Trump supporters too - key issues are for-profit+right wing media, the rich buying low taxes
sharedvalues
May 2017
#353