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121. Obama-turned-Trump voters cost Clinton election

Wed May 3, 2017, 09:55 AM

May 2017

And yet a more recent study refutes the conclusion in the one you cited. Check out the article below from the Seattle Times.

I don't understand how the article you cited can extrapolate the conclusion that all Trump voters are motivated by racism, not when the group of Trump voters that cost Clinton the election had voted for Obama previously. They voted for a black man but were too racist to vote for a white woman?

I agree that many of Trump voters were motivated by racially divisiveness pushed by Trump. But the article cites a perception that Clinton's policies favored the wealthy as the main reason former Obama voters switched to Trump.

Yeah, they were duped. But to paint all of them as racist is neither true nor helpful if we want to win future elections.

http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation-politics/report-obama-turned-trump-voters-cost-clinton-election/

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"Elizabeth Warren says Obama doesn't understand 'lived experience of most Americans.'" [View all] pnwmom May 2017 OP

Just as I was warming up to her ecstatic May 2017 #1

I share your feelings of confusion and betrayal. It's crazy. NurseJackie May 2017 #132

she is off the rails, my true blue hubby hates her with a passion Hamlette May 2017 #201

This is bound to help her on the talk show circuit while she hawks her book. Shame on you EW. nt Tarheel_Dem May 2017 #2

Did you criticize Clinton for hawking her book Volstagg May 2017 #93

Her book wholeheartedly celebrates Dem values and criticizes the GOP and rightfully so.... bettyellen May 2017 #128

Did she try to plug her book tour by trying to pick a fight with Barack Obama? Tarheel_Dem May 2017 #138

No, she didnt. My position on Bernie might have to include Warren soon. Eliot Rosewater May 2017 #151

I can tell you this...she has disqualified herself from competing in a Dem primary, AFAIC. This.... Tarheel_Dem May 2017 #153

I cant figure out if they are on you know who's Russian payroll or just idiots Eliot Rosewater May 2017 #166

For her hard choices book, yes definitely karynnj May 2017 #185

EW is ignorantly attacking President Obama to sell Cha May 2017 #146

This upset me trixie2 May 2017 #3

Probably on the advise of her publisher. I don't think she has the spine LuvLoogie May 2017 #161

I agree with Elizabeth Warren. democratisphere May 2017 #4

As Warren is a Washington politician, she doesn't understand either. Correct? sarge43 May 2017 #48

+1 betsuni May 2017 #49

She is much more wealthy and privileged than the average American True Dough May 2017 #110

Further, I doubt that once she leaves public life, sarge43 May 2017 #114

President Obama was not born rich and went to college on student loans like the rest of us...her Demsrule86 May 2017 #116

Not Liz now with this BS .... LenaBaby61 May 2017 #5

Exactly. WTF? Why is she going after Obama now? treestar May 2017 #60

I've never been as crazy about her as everyone else here is. BlueStater May 2017 #6

I agree with you 100%. She's alright..I guess. But she doesn't have Kahuna7 May 2017 #40

I would vote for her in a New York minute for Massachusetts senator. For president, no. DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #106

+1 nt jrthin May 2017 #111

I'm with you. +1000 ATL Ebony May 2017 #188

No, she did not say that oberliner May 2017 #7

Big difference when it is read in context n/t Jno_Gilmor_ May 2017 #11

Why does she think he has a giant blind spot? Doesn't she understand that he had to make a huge push pnwmom May 2017 #12

she sounds more like Bernie every day that she throws O under the bus onetexan May 2017 #16

I've always been bothered she was a Republican during the Reagan years.... bettyellen May 2017 #135

+1 betsuni May 2017 #21

No, she definitely did not melman May 2017 #13

That is the quoted title of the article. No, I won't "correct" it. pnwmom May 2017 #20

Of course you won't melman May 2017 #27

LOL. pnwmom May 2017 #29

and to support the Democratic party treestar May 2017 #64

It was the actual title treestar May 2017 #62

No doubt you'll of course specify what the alleged narrative LanternWaste May 2017 #133

Thats twice KTM May 2017 #168

Are you saying you can't explain your point without violating forum rules? stevenleser May 2017 #173

Not at all KTM May 2017 #180

So much melodrama over some tepid criticism of Sen Warren emulatorloo May 2017 #134

Yeah, what's your "agenda"? Cha May 2017 #148

She knows the sort of extra attention and the headlines she will generate bettyellen May 2017 #129

Well, she is trying to sell a book oberliner May 2017 #139

Politicians going to politic.... bettyellen May 2017 #141

yeah, that was my thought after reading too. Come on people. I get that these are sensitive topics JCanete May 2017 #15

Isn't she saying that politicians like Obama have giant blind spots when they talk about betsuni May 2017 #18

She's wrong. Obama understands those statistics. pnwmom May 2017 #24

Agree. betsuni May 2017 #33

Yes, his health care motivation treestar May 2017 #65

You are darn right he understands pnwnom, and that is why every time those statistics were still_one May 2017 #80

Of course. Why is Warren being attacked here? Voltaire2 May 2017 #53

Harvard Law's First Female POTUS of Color possibly.... HoneyBadger May 2017 #56

Why is Obama attacked here? Why is Hillary? treestar May 2017 #66

The second I saw this, I thought to myself DFW May 2017 #71

Except it ignores the very fact the President Obama, almost everytime those statistics were still_one May 2017 #79

I think her point is simply that economic statistics don't always tell the whole story oberliner May 2017 #87

I agree Obe, that is her point, but I don't agree with her assessment that President Obama has a still_one May 2017 #108

In context, much more realistic perspective. mountain grammy May 2017 #83

Which, I believe, Obama acknowledged damn near every time he spoke. trc May 2017 #157

Kinda looks like she did to me. Adrahil May 2017 #100

Same thing. She calle out Obama and basically said the partys' are the same. Demsrule86 May 2017 #118

Another distinction lacking any relevant difference. LanternWaste May 2017 #131

Agreed oberliner May 2017 #140

I agree with her...I don't think he has experienced that life in many years... adigal May 2017 #186

and there we go Afromania May 2017 #8

Obama may have not been poor but Doreen May 2017 #9

I dare say things seem to be JNelson6563 May 2017 #10

i hope not. obama and clinton did much better in mass than she did JI7 May 2017 #14

Now that Gillibrand has dropped out, Warren's 2020 win seems to be that much more secure HoneyBadger May 2017 #17

I like her, but from time to time has been critical Thekaspervote May 2017 #19

i don't think she is unpopular JI7 May 2017 #22

State voters ask what have you done for me lately HoneyBadger May 2017 #32

This is how the Russians work folks.....they are still working here ashredux May 2017 #23

Are you saying that the Russians write Warren's speeches? HoneyBadger May 2017 #28

Nope. Just misrepresenting what she actually said ashredux May 2017 #35

Saying that Obama had a blind spot is just as unfair. pnwmom May 2017 #41

The "Russians" set up EW to ignorantly attacking Pres Obama? Cha May 2017 #159

The OP first lies about what Elizabeth Warren actually said and then calls her a racist. redgreenandblue May 2017 #25

The OP quoted the exact title of the article. nt pnwmom May 2017 #26

You're playing a game here melman May 2017 #36

No game. Saying he had had a huge blind spot is JUST as unfair, as I've already explained. nt pnwmom May 2017 #43

This. n/t ms liberty May 2017 #52

You're projecting. Cha May 2017 #147

Yep. And I'm happy to see the majority of DU... SMC22307 May 2017 #205

We have an overtly authoritarian right wing party Voltaire2 May 2017 #54

That's what I want to know. Why is she criticizing Obama as being out of touch? Of course pnwmom May 2017 #57

LOL treestar May 2017 #68

It looks like the "is it because he is black?" line was now edited out. redgreenandblue May 2017 #89

That is an appalling statement, redgreenandblue Hekate May 2017 #163

Respect! LiberalLovinLug May 2017 #30

So Obama is a whining authoritarian? nt pnwmom May 2017 #31

Did not say that and did not intend that. LiberalLovinLug May 2017 #38

"The ones who believe only racists have the right to criticize ...Obama" WTF? bettyellen May 2017 #190

Think about it LiberalLovinLug May 2017 #192

You get that this board is not a "free speech zone" for racists or even fans of the GOP.... bettyellen May 2017 #193

Wooooooooooooosh LiberalLovinLug May 2017 #194

Pretzel logic used to make DUers look like assholes is nonsense... bettyellen May 2017 #195

You are the one that questioned my logic LiberalLovinLug May 2017 #196

You and I both agreed to OUR community standards, which have nothing to do with other communities- bettyellen May 2017 #197

You are looking at it very differently LiberalLovinLug May 2017 #198

It's not about fear of discussion, or MY standards but thanks. bettyellen May 2017 #199

It shouldn't be a choice between a "cesspool" or a fan club LiberalLovinLug May 2017 #206

People raise objections to policies and statements Dems make all the time here. Let's not pretend bettyellen May 2017 #208

Fair enough LiberalLovinLug May 2017 #210

Warren just lost my support.... beachbum bob May 2017 #34

Really? So, you are actually registered to vote? ashredux May 2017 #39

Why are you insulting BeachbumBob? Cha May 2017 #160

since 1972 my friend...sometimes warren talks too much beachbum bob May 2017 #42

+1000 stonecutter357 May 2017 #104

Mine also...and I vote in every election. Demsrule86 May 2017 #119

I really like Elizabeth Warren, but IndianaDave May 2017 #37

OP is accurate, and Warren has gone down this road before. ucrdem May 2017 #44

The big difference samplegirl May 2017 #45

It's really easy for the trolls to get everyone all riled up here mdbl May 2017 #46

Same trolls were trashing Obama in 2014 RandiFan1290 May 2017 #50

She's making it harder for good Democrats to be elected when she disparages what Obama pnwmom May 2017 #59

This! X1000 Docreed2003 May 2017 #78

She is not disparaging him. alarimer May 2017 #97

She did and she party's were the same basically...she is not going to be the presidential candidat Demsrule86 May 2017 #120

It's blatantly wrong to say that her claim that he had a giant blind spot to the pnwmom May 2017 #127

No, that's a strawman.. No one is saying President Obama Cha May 2017 #149

Exactly. athena May 2017 #113

+1, and now low UE rates mean nothing uponit7771 May 2017 #130

Even when given the high ground some politicians give it up. gordianot May 2017 #47

Please get the red out May 2017 #51

This is another sensational headline. Tatiana May 2017 #55

She said Obama had a blind spot for people's real lived experience. And that is false and unfair. pnwmom May 2017 #85

"And they voted for Obama twice." But then millions of Obama voters voted for Trump. PA Democrat May 2017 #58

Why? Because the media turned it into a horserace in order to up their ratings. pnwmom May 2017 #61

I agree that the media failed to cover policy differences PA Democrat May 2017 #69

That is the million dollar question. How DO we battle the other side when the MSM pnwmom May 2017 #70

We have the answer BeyondGeography May 2017 #63

let's not leave it there hanging.. JHan May 2017 #73

The voters we're talking about are going on their instincts BeyondGeography May 2017 #101

"going on their instincts" JHan May 2017 #102

Part of it is not expecting them to vote for someone they've already decided they don't like BeyondGeography May 2017 #124

There's a lot about the data being conveniently ignored: JHan May 2017 #126

Latest research: Trump voters were not economic focused delisen May 2017 #90

facts are pesky things ++++++++++ JHan May 2017 #94

That can be said of the majority of people who vote Republican in any Presidential election Tom Rinaldo May 2017 #105

Obama-turned-Trump voters cost Clinton election PA Democrat May 2017 #121

Pretty much zipplewrath May 2017 #137

White and wealthy voters gave victory to Donald Trump, exit polls show Cha May 2017 #158

Latest data from Democratic Party strategists published May 1 PA Democrat May 2017 #164

whitesplaining. nt LexVegas May 2017 #67

Yup! betsuni May 2017 #72

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK? tallahasseedem May 2017 #74

WTF Elizabeth Warren??? workinclasszero May 2017 #75

Dividing, dividing, dividing sharedvalues May 2017 #76

We really need a most misleading topic award HopeAgain May 2017 #77

She said Obama had a blind spot for people's real lived experience. And she based that criticism on pnwmom May 2017 #82

"Mischaracterized by centrists... Seeing lots of that lately." melman May 2017 #143

Ahem....Obama's never owned a house until 2005.... Historic NY May 2017 #81

The reasons Warren gives for making this statement WellDarn May 2017 #84

Welcome to DU, WellDarn. Thanks for your thoughtful post! n/t pnwmom May 2017 #86

I'd advise people to read what she actually said, and not just the Independent's version Kentonio May 2017 #88

Bingo - +1 KTM May 2017 #170

++++ Jno_Gilmor_ May 2017 #178

She should walk around the Obama's neighborhood in Chicago and maybe think again lunasun May 2017 #91

Can you remind me what was the question that evoked that response in the interview? jberryhill May 2017 #92

This is a blatant mischarcterization of what she actually said. alarimer May 2017 #95

lol how is it a lie? JHan May 2017 #98

No, she did not. KTM May 2017 #171

So her referencing Obama was to do what exactly? JHan May 2017 #172

I think it *IS* clear. KTM May 2017 #174

yes millions of americans left behind, including those who did not vote for Trump. JHan May 2017 #177

I dont think she was attacking Obama. KTM May 2017 #181

There was a lot of frustration.. JHan May 2017 #182

President Obama played by the white man's rules and won. DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #96

I think you might have the white man label mixed up with rich man's label nolabels May 2017 #107

The rich man's rules are you go as far as your daddy did. DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #109

He won us a eight year lease on a grounded ship nolabels May 2017 #112

Fake news. Orsino May 2017 #99

No.... it's pretty accurate, unfortunately. Hey she wants clicks as much as any politician. bettyellen May 2017 #142

Citation needed. n/t Orsino May 2017 #165

She should have made her point without claiming BO had a"a blind spot" bettyellen May 2017 #167

Citation still needed. Orsino May 2017 #189

so liz is just like BS.. stonecutter357 May 2017 #103

sounds Republicanesque Liz...(he's not one of us) sarcasm. Demsrule86 May 2017 #115

I'm very disappointed in her NastyRiffraff May 2017 #117

Projection. She just revealed her blindspots. flamingdem May 2017 #122

The 'lived' experience? 'Left behind' ? 'Kicked in the teeth' ? 'Blind spot' ? 'Most Americans' ? MedusaX May 2017 #123

THIS- she has bought the RW frame and is selling it. And pundits will tease out the BO criticism and bettyellen May 2017 #136

That's it! I'm voting for Clinton. When's the primary? Iggo May 2017 #125

That is a clueless thing to say. BigDemVoter May 2017 #144

WTF, EW.. Now you're just pissing me off.. Cha May 2017 #145

We need to write to her as politely as possible and remind her of what you just wrote... Hekate May 2017 #150

It looks to me like EW wants to sell her books by Cha May 2017 #162

Disappointed in you, Liz. NurseJackie May 2017 #152

Money money money- she is selling books. Shameful to do it redstateblues May 2017 #154

Honestly, I seriously doubt Elizabeth Warren would EVER say something like this. PatrickforO May 2017 #155

In fact, she has become increasingly critical of President Obama in recent days with her most recent Cha May 2017 #156

WTF? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2017 #169

You're not helping, Elizabeth. SunSeeker May 2017 #175

Elizabeth Warren is a 1%er Renew Deal May 2017 #176

Post removed Post removed May 2017 #179

She's not wrong... Bradical79 May 2017 #183

Yeah. As so did FDR. Turbineguy May 2017 #184

Another "Only I Can Fix It" populist guru frazzled May 2017 #187

I was annoyed by that all through the election loyalsister May 2017 #191

Ok. . . So perhaps she said it. BigDemVoter May 2017 #200

She is really pissing me off. boston bean May 2017 #202

warren... chillfactor May 2017 #203

Obama never talked about GDP frazzled May 2017 #204

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver May 2017 #207

Ok. I blew off the first attack on Obama by both Warren and Sanders. AgadorSparticus May 2017 #209