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26. Who in their right mind criticizes President Obama

Wed May 3, 2017, 10:59 AM

May 2017

As progressives (and Americans in general), we had things damn good from 2009-2017 aside from Republican obstructionism, which, of course, had nothing to do with President Obama himself. Yeah, you can pick apart a few things here and there about his Presidency, but for crissakes, would anybody complaining about President Obama (of all people) rather have ANOTHER 4 years of Trump instead of returning to sane and competent Presidential leadership under somebody like President Obama? I still don't get what the people whom pulled the lever for Trump over Clinton last year (or went with Jill Stein or Gary Johnson) were really thinking? Any Democratic candidate whom feels like they have to criticize President Obama to win won't get my vote in 2020. Too many Democrats shot themselves in the foot foolishly running from (instead of embracing) President Obama from 2010 onward. Let's not keep making that mistake. I was happy to see that Hillary certainly didn't criticize President Obama. There should be no shame in supporting Barack Obama's Presidency.

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Warning: Any Candidate Considering Running for President as a Democrat in 2020 [View all] MineralMan May 2017 OP

Is deviating from any of Obama's positions "criticism?" HopeAgain May 2017 #1

Criticism is Criticism. MineralMan May 2017 #2

I've seen a lot of mis-characterizing of what Warren and Sanders have said as direct criticism. HopeAgain May 2017 #9

I did not mention either Warren or Sanders. MineralMan May 2017 #12

So this is just abstract discussion? HopeAgain May 2017 #13

My original post is not abstract in any way. MineralMan May 2017 #17

Exactly, nobody has announced... HopeAgain May 2017 #27

well as you know druidity33 May 2017 #89

Because so many potential Candidates consult you before running? zipplewrath May 2017 #50

What's your point? MineralMan May 2017 #51

That's not what you said zipplewrath May 2017 #55

Many people on DU offer advice to candidates and potential MineralMan May 2017 #58

Yes, but they have a "real" audience zipplewrath May 2017 #61

Is deviating from any of Sanders' and Warren's positions "criticism"? frazzled May 2017 #29

Thank you JustAnotherGen May 2017 #31

Deviate away, it doesn't bother me... HopeAgain May 2017 #35

Your post indicates otherwise frazzled May 2017 #39

How so? HopeAgain May 2017 #45

Read them again frazzled May 2017 #47

Umm no, you re-ead HopeAgain May 2017 #57

Funny how that works workinclasszero May 2017 #44

Long Time DU Member Here Cheviteau May 2017 #80

Thanks. I never mind defending my own statements. MineralMan May 2017 #81

When did you ever hear Republicans criticizing Ronald Reagan? pnwmom May 2017 #85

I don't think they should be talking about Obama at all Phoenix61 May 2017 #3

Exactly. Attacking a popular former President MineralMan May 2017 #5

This is just bizarre Boomer May 2017 #74

You must have a pretty short memory. n/t pnwmom May 2017 #86

Yup, that's some 'true true' right there. nt. druidity33 May 2017 #90

Agreed. But... rpannier May 2017 #97

My opinion is different. nt Kirkwood May 2017 #4

Well, thanks for letting me know. MineralMan May 2017 #7

Spot on! Hope all the potential candidate pay heed. brush May 2017 #6

I hope so, too. MineralMan May 2017 #8

Good post. athena May 2017 #10

Thank you! MineralMan May 2017 #11

Cough (Lieberman) cough. charlyvi May 2017 #25

I remember 2014 when so many Dems thought it was a good strategy to run against world wide wally May 2017 #14

Yes, that did happen. MineralMan May 2017 #19

I remember this in 2000 too, when Gore ran away from Clinton. yardwork May 2017 #43

Who alienated that large group of voters who strongly supported Barack Obama as President? progressoid May 2017 #15

Not smart to do it though by alienating rock solid Dem voters in our base brush May 2017 #16

Rock solid Dem voters in our base are going to vote for the Democrat regardless. progressoid May 2017 #22

In the general election yes. But candidates who attack Obama have to run the primary gauntlet. brush May 2017 #38

I'm not sure whether Warren is running at all. MineralMan May 2017 #20

Ah, so its a coincidence you posted this at the same time DU has the vapors about Warren's comment progressoid May 2017 #28

There are no coincidences. MineralMan May 2017 #30

Thank you for confirming my statement. progressoid May 2017 #40

Why does that matter? MineralMan May 2017 #42

You say you wanted to start a discussion but "What others write is not relevant, really, to me." progressoid May 2017 #60

Some DUers have the vapors a lot. We're supposed to post only on non-vapor days? LakeArenal May 2017 #53

It's also a way of shifting blame for the partisan gridlock over the past 8 years.. JHan May 2017 #18

Indeed. We all saw the results of people campaigning against Obama MineralMan May 2017 #21

Agreed. And i'll add that sometimes the criticism is sincere.. JHan May 2017 #67

Sadly, we seem to forget who the real enemy is. MineralMan May 2017 #68

K&R denbot May 2017 #23

KnR Hekate May 2017 #24

Who in their right mind criticizes President Obama Proud Liberal Dem May 2017 #26

Exactly. Thanks. MineralMan May 2017 #32

Bullshit! Exilednight May 2017 #33

Well, that's concise. MineralMan May 2017 #36

Bullshit again. Obama criticised Bill Clinton during the 2008 primary on a regular basis. Exilednight May 2017 #79

2008 is not 2017 JHan May 2017 #82

There's a lot that is factually wrong. Exilednight May 2017 #83

No my premise is absolutely on point: JHan May 2017 #87

You're not even close to being on point. Exilednight May 2017 #88

And you're avoiding my salient point.. JHan May 2017 #91

There's nothing to avoid. you're not staying anything that hasn't been Exilednight May 2017 #93

and bad policy is nothing new.. JHan May 2017 #95

+1 Blue_Tires May 2017 #34

I hope this post is directed toward MojoWrkn May 2017 #37

It is directed at neither. There are no declared candidates for 2020. MineralMan May 2017 #41

In 2020, there will be so much to criticize #45 about... mwooldri May 2017 #46

Of course - that's just simple common sense Mountain Mule May 2017 #48

Who are you blaming? zipplewrath May 2017 #49

Must I blame someone to suggest campaign strategies? MineralMan May 2017 #54

But you did zipplewrath May 2017 #56

K&R 2naSalit May 2017 #52

They should think seriously about if their tax returns are ready for prime time as well. (nt) ehrnst May 2017 #59

And their nannys, and their email servers... zipplewrath May 2017 #62

Absolutely. MineralMan May 2017 #63

I agree with your opinion on this treestar May 2017 #64

Gawd, yes. I remember 2014 and candidate, Allison Grimes.... Grins May 2017 #65

Very good example, indeed! MineralMan May 2017 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author StevieM May 2017 #92

There really is nothing wrong than taking a principled stand on issues that differ with other Dems Gore1FL May 2017 #69

Here's the thing: Candidates for President should be about MineralMan May 2017 #70

There is nothing wrong with contrasting oneself with former presidents when running for the office. Gore1FL May 2017 #71

appropriate and respectful criticism should never be shied away from because of pandering. People JCanete May 2017 #72

Isn't there a fine line to be drawn here though? LiberalLovinLug May 2017 #73

I think the criticism of his speaking fees was beyond that line. (nt) ehrnst May 2017 #75

I agree LiberalLovinLug May 2017 #76

If you take a position on an issue opposite to that of Obama, does that count as "criticism"? n/t PoliticAverse May 2017 #77

Not necessarily. As long as you stick to that issue, but don't trash Obama MineralMan May 2017 #78

Also it'd be a great idea to not start by splitting the Party in half. NightWatcher May 2017 #84

Exactly. Sparkly May 2017 #94

While I think you're right in many cases, I would disagree in some rpannier May 2017 #96

My opinion orangecrush May 2017 #98

Read every post over a late breakfast... NoMoreRepugs May 2017 #99