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BainsBane

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27. The point is universal healthcare.
Fri May 5, 2017, 08:59 PM
May 2017

We have seen people insist single payer is the only acceptable solution. Is that just semantics too?
Because a whole lot of people are focused on those semantics and have used them to express opposition to proposals and efforts to implement universal healthcare.

Germany has a multi-payer system. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Germany
Claiming that all countries have single payer is factually false. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Switzerland
Both Switzerland and Germany require citizens to purchase health insurance, unlike in the single payer U.K. & Canadian systems in which healthcare is payed through the national government.

I know the truth has fallen out of fashion in our current political culture and that there is an operating assumption that the less informed people are the better. I do not share that view. I believe that informed and substantive knowledge is essential to effective policy. It's one thing to examine the various systems different countries employ to deliver health care and then conclude single payer is more efficient or better in some other way. It's another to claim that they are all single payer and then chastise those who point out your claims are false.

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You need to get your congressman straight. LuvLoogie May 2017 #1
yep, joe wilson... spanone May 2017 #20
Thanks. Corrected. kristopher May 2017 #25
So you have to be more Diverse to get better health care? yuiyoshida May 2017 #2
Problem is explaining that to the ignorant white wing fools who elected these cretins. Hoyt May 2017 #3
Well, Walsh (and Repubs) are trying to make it racial kristopher May 2017 #4
Taxpayers foot the bill for most of the sickest citizens (through Medicare and Medicaid) PA Democrat May 2017 #5
The impression I get initially from your comment was "Taxpayers foot the bill" kristopher May 2017 #6
"The sickest citizens" are also tax-payers. WinkyDink May 2017 #7
I think I worded my post poorly. PA Democrat May 2017 #15
It's a common phrasing; just a pet peeve of mine! I heard it too much as a teacher! On a WinkyDink May 2017 #30
White wingers do not think they are racists. I'm telling you, I know. I confronted the Aholes a Hoyt May 2017 #8
I agree with all you say - I grew up redneck. kristopher May 2017 #18
" . . . then he gets political . . . " HughBeaumont May 2017 #9
That's ok. It was meant to be the first step toward single-payer. Obama knew what he was doing. nikibatts May 2017 #10
Yep! kristopher May 2017 #21
Well, the Medicare for All bunch is getting half its wish at least. ucrdem May 2017 #11
How can I not know that? kristopher May 2017 #24
If you think Obamacare will fall and from its ashes will rise a glorious Medicare for All ucrdem May 2017 #26
I also wish morality was discussed more. And fiscal responsibility as well. Nanjeanne May 2017 #12
+1000 smirkymonkey May 2017 #13
Good post. Thank you! dmr May 2017 #17
The ACA was never designed to work long term. joshcryer May 2017 #14
"saying this narrative that the ACA needs to be tossed shows us..." kristopher May 2017 #19
We need to be unafraid of actually having conversations about single payer. PatsFan87 May 2017 #16
It's not true that everywhere else uses single payer BainsBane May 2017 #22
I think you're quibbling kristopher May 2017 #23
The point is universal healthcare. BainsBane May 2017 #27
No, the point is GETTING universal care kristopher May 2017 #28
Joe Walsh isn't reading your post BainsBane May 2017 #29
Have it your way. kristopher May 2017 #31
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