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130. If you were as old as I am,

Sat May 6, 2017, 12:03 AM

May 2017

You would have experienced great healthcare at very affordable prices in the 1960's & 1970's. Very low premiums and very low deductibles was the norm.

In 1980 we had a hospital bill of $31,000 and our out of pocket cost was $250! If you really want to know why healthcare costs so much, and is the no. 1 reason people go bankrupt, do intensive research on what new laws were enacted beginning around 1982 and on.

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Fixing the ACA like Hillary proposed now seems pretty damn progressive [View all] boston bean May 2017 OP

To say nothing of Hillarycare itself. tenorly May 2017 #1

Absolutely!!!! boston bean May 2017 #2

+1, K&R!! We would be so much better off if that health care plan had passed. (eom) StevieM May 2017 #128

I still remember those Harry and Louise ads - and the Clintons' very witty attempt to defuse them. tenorly May 2017 #129

I remember that skit. It was really cool. Ultimately, it didn't matter though. StevieM May 2017 #131

If that were happening BainsBane May 2017 #3

That fact is a weird dynamic, isn't. I just see stone silence from some. nt Blue_true May 2017 #5

We have all expressed massive outrage about what Trump did. Ken Burch May 2017 #6

+1 KTM May 2017 #11

Believe it or not BainsBane May 2017 #20

I agreed with the point of the OP Ken Burch May 2017 #23

Considering you don't even know who wrote the OP BainsBane May 2017 #28

THE OP. Sorry. Ken Burch May 2017 #29

People like to forget there was a general election where the choice was fix ACA or boston bean May 2017 #49

And the overwhelming majority of single-payer supporters Ken Burch May 2017 #62

So you keep saying NastyRiffraff May 2017 #121

My grandmother had a saying: brer cat May 2017 #41

I brought that up because the OP was an implicit slam on single-payer supporters. Ken Burch May 2017 #44

It was about the choice in the GE. boston bean May 2017 #50

And everybody here on this board agrees with you on that. Ken Burch May 2017 #61

LOL NurseJackie May 2017 #43

You know perfectly well nobody other than right-wingers wanted Trump to win. Ken Burch May 2017 #47

No, actually I don't know that at all. NurseJackie May 2017 #51

I don't agree with Sarandon on that and don't know why you're bringing her up. Ken Burch May 2017 #56

I never said you did agree with her. NurseJackie May 2017 #65

How much can DU really do to ensure that, though? Ken Burch May 2017 #69

To ensure what? NurseJackie May 2017 #71

You didn't say it directly. Ken Burch May 2017 #74

You know perfectly well that I didn't say it at all. NurseJackie May 2017 #81

Ken, I respectfully disagree here. DanTex May 2017 #119

I overstated. Nobody who's kept posting on this site wanted Trump to win. Ken Burch May 2017 #127

Yes, but that misses the point. DanTex May 2017 #132

Check your pm's. Will respond to your post later. Ken Burch May 2017 #133

I would so much rather be complaining that her plans weren't liberal enough. NewDealProgressive May 2017 #80

No kidding. treestar May 2017 #106

+1. nt Honeycombe8 May 2017 #107

I would happily live in that universe. joshcryer May 2017 #116

No one here would disagree with you on that. Ken Burch May 2017 #4

Good points. TDale313 May 2017 #55

"Anything" would be better? Damn us with the faintest praise you've got.... bettyellen May 2017 #59

I agreed with the OP. Ken Burch May 2017 #64

God forbid you speak to the merits of the Dem proposals... bettyellen May 2017 #68

I agreed that it's much better than what just happened in the House. Ken Burch May 2017 #73

It's a shame you can't speak to how much better out Dem proposals were- I talk about it w people all bettyellen May 2017 #88

I just did. Ken Burch May 2017 #91

Key word is "seems". nt Kirkwood May 2017 #7

lol, not again R B Garr May 2017 #8

You'll of course, expound on whatever little point you're attempting to make, yes? LanternWaste May 2017 #9

I was agreeing with the OP. Kirkwood May 2017 #12

No, actually. What you said was "Keyword 'seems.'" That implies that, though it seems Squinch May 2017 #17

I didn't read it that way zipplewrath May 2017 #31

Somehow I'm not surprised. Squinch May 2017 #58

No, it wasn't at all clear. Ken Burch May 2017 #25

Your post was clear. JTFrog May 2017 #103

Not quite. nt Kirkwood May 2017 #113

You better believe it! nt JTFrog May 2017 #125

Don't let the figure of speech hang you up. Her plan would have been a world better Squinch May 2017 #14

Well, you're wrong. Kirkwood May 2017 #36

Then it would be best not to say them. Squinch May 2017 #60

Case in point. BainsBane May 2017 #15

What the hell does that mean? nt Kirkwood May 2017 #37

Your post is evidence for a point I made BainsBane May 2017 #75

Well if you set the bar low enough zipplewrath May 2017 #10

second case in point. BainsBane May 2017 #16

And besides, her emails. Amiright? Huh? Amiright? Squinch May 2017 #18

yeah, low enough like fake news about false equivalencies. R B Garr May 2017 #19

You must be relieved BainsBane May 2017 #21

Wrong basis of comparison zipplewrath May 2017 #27

You mean the actual options voters faced in November BainsBane May 2017 #30

No zipplewrath May 2017 #33

cool story bro JHan May 2017 #24

So are you happy with Trumpcare? Gothmog May 2017 #40

Oh hell no zipplewrath May 2017 #83

Yup ismnotwasm May 2017 #13

But she wasn't pure enough and...emails workinclasszero May 2017 #22

Hillary is a pragmatic realist. A doer, not a talker. nt Kahuna7 May 2017 #26

I can't even think about it today mcar May 2017 #32

Obamacare is failing because of one reason golfguru May 2017 #34

There was no way to get single payer in the real world Gothmog May 2017 #39

At present the votes for single-payer aren't there in Congress Ken Burch May 2017 #54

Not in the real world Gothmog May 2017 #63

We fight to save the ACA now, then work on single-payer long term. Ken Burch May 2017 #66

Our hands are full just trying to save the ACA Gothmog May 2017 #79

I agree with you on that. Ken Burch May 2017 #86

"Real World" is a smoke screeen golfguru May 2017 #93

I live in the real world Gothmog May 2017 #96

Neither Trumpcare or ACA affects me at all golfguru May 2017 #97

Well you might get upset when they come for your Medicare then. JTFrog May 2017 #105

If you were as old as I am, golfguru May 2017 #130

Again, bully for you. JTFrog May 2017 #134

I never said that... golfguru May 2017 #135

Yes, if only... lunamagica May 2017 #35

Agree-fixing the ACA is looking very good right now Gothmog May 2017 #38

TOTALLY AGREED: If only. NurseJackie May 2017 #42

(on edit)hardly anyone here defends Sarandon. A few, but too few to really matter. Ken Burch May 2017 #45

Do my comments about her bother you? NurseJackie May 2017 #46

What bothers me is your attempt to associate people with Sarandon Ken Burch May 2017 #48

Umm the world does not revolve around du and only du members. boston bean May 2017 #52

I know, right?! NurseJackie May 2017 #67

I can't be responsible for the what anyone imagines my motivation to be. NurseJackie May 2017 #57

Seems pretty obvious the association is self-imposed BainsBane May 2017 #76

I have no idea why that would be. It's a very odd assumption to make. I mean... NurseJackie May 2017 #82

Exactly. BainsBane May 2017 #87

Twisting my words. Ken Burch May 2017 #117

Where exactly was the point of confusion? I imagine somewhere AFTER "Susan" but BEFORE "Sarandon"? NurseJackie May 2017 #120

"Nobody" BainsBane May 2017 #72

Even with the threads you mention, most people here aren't defending Sarandon OR Stein. Ken Burch May 2017 #89

LOL NurseJackie May 2017 #92

You're not entitled to belittle or mock people personally. Ken Burch May 2017 #95

ROFL! I'm sure Susan Sarandon will survive the snarky comments about her. :-D NurseJackie May 2017 #101

Not talking about Sarandon. Ken Burch May 2017 #112

Yes you were. NurseJackie May 2017 #114

I don't need to be told to Be Like Keith. Ken Burch May 2017 #115

So, the words "Susan Sarandon" weren't obvious enough? NurseJackie May 2017 #118

Really? Cary May 2017 #109

You know perfectly well that I do. Ken Burch May 2017 #111

Show me where I ever said you didn't vote Democratic Cary May 2017 #122

You posted it in response to me. Ken Burch May 2017 #123

IOW you cannot show where I ever said you didn't vote Democratic. Cary May 2017 #126

You're the only one calling people out BainsBane May 2017 #98

I have no issue with you in this thread. Ken Burch May 2017 #100

All I can say is if you want to be President Thrill May 2017 #53

No doubt! workinclasszero May 2017 #70

We should be gearing up for a fight for a public option right about now. wildeyed May 2017 #77

Right, if we lose ACA kiss single payer goodbye...all those who secretly wanted the ACA to fail Demsrule86 May 2017 #84

I'm just praying that if me or one of my kids goes to hospital, wildeyed May 2017 #85

We are all screwed ...good luck...we will need a super majority to fix this. Demsrule86 May 2017 #94

That can be part of our policy offer for the midterms. Ken Burch May 2017 #90

The Repug House bill is not a fix. It was -and did demolish many good aspects of ACA riversedge May 2017 #78

Absolutely true. Ken Burch May 2017 #124

Anyone who didn't vote for Hillary officially owns a piece of what happened yesterday Blue_Tires May 2017 #99

So do those of us who did vote Clinton... Orsino May 2017 #102

We got out the vote to the tune of 3 million more votes. JTFrog May 2017 #104

I own my own GOTV failure. Orsino May 2017 #108

I spent multiple weekends in 100-degree heat in the summer Blue_Tires May 2017 #110