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EX500rider

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86. If not for US aid, the Russians would be the ones speaking German.
Sat May 6, 2017, 03:56 PM
May 2017

US aid to Russia in WWII:

In total, the U.S. deliveries through Lend-Lease amounted to $11 billion in materials: over 400,000 jeeps and trucks; 12,000 armored vehicles (including 7,000 tanks, about 1,386[39] of which were M3 Lees and 4,102 M4 Shermans);[40] 11,400 aircraft (4,719 of which were Bell P-39 Airacobras)[41] and 1.75 million tons of food.[42]
Roughly 17.5 million tons of military equipment, vehicles, industrial supplies, and food were shipped from the Western Hemisphere to the USSR, 94% coming from the US. For comparison, a total of 22 million tons landed in Europe to supply American forces from January 1942 to May 1945. It has been estimated that American deliveries to the USSR through the Persian Corridor alone were sufficient, by US Army standards, to maintain sixty combat divisions in the line.


According to the Russian historian Boris Vadimovich Sokolov, Lend-Lease played a crucial role in winning the war:
On the whole the following conclusion can be drawn: that without these Western shipments under Lend-Lease the Soviet Union not only would not have been able to win the Great Patriotic War, it would not have been able even to oppose the German invaders, since it could not itself produce sufficient quantities of arms and military equipment or adequate supplies of fuel and ammunition. The Soviet authorities were well aware of this dependency on Lend-Lease. Thus, Stalin told Harry Hopkins [FDR’s emissary to Moscow in July 1941] that the U.S.S.R. could not match Germany’s might as an occupier of Europe and its resources.[24]

Nikita Khrushchev, having served as a military commissar and intermediary between Stalin and his generals during the war, addressed directly the significance of Lend-lease aid in his memoirs:
I would like to express my candid opinion about Stalin’s views on whether the Red Army and the Soviet Union could have coped with Nazi Germany and survived the war without aid from the United States and Britain. First, I would like to tell about some remarks Stalin made and repeated several times when we were “discussing freely” among ourselves. He stated bluntly that if the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war. If we had had to fight Nazi Germany one on one, we could not have stood up against Germany’s pressure, and we would have lost the war. No one ever discussed this subject officially, and I don’t think Stalin left any written evidence of his opinion, but I will state here that several times in conversations with me he noted that these were the actual circumstances. He never made a special point of holding a conversation on the subject, but when we were engaged in some kind of relaxed conversation, going over international questions of the past and present, and when we would return to the subject of the path we had traveled during the war, that is what he said. When I listened to his remarks, I was fully in agreement with him, and today I am even more so.[30]

In a confidential interview with the wartime correspondent Konstantin Simonov, the famous Soviet Marshal G.K. Zhukov is quoted as saying:
Today [1963] some say the Allies didn’t really help us… But listen, one cannot deny that the Americans shipped over to us material without which we could not have equipped our armies held in reserve or been able to continue the war.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

I would say that he is promoting subjective truth dhol82 May 2017 #1
Oh, you mean like "alternative facts?" dchill May 2017 #28
Exactly. nt dhol82 May 2017 #90
Modern Fascist hire Public Relations firms and sometimes retired foreign Generals. gordianot May 2017 #2
Let's talk about post WW II, the Soviet Union, and the Iron Curtain too. Botany May 2017 #3
Let's talk about the Soviet Union starving the Ukraine as it stole Ukraine's harvests. no_hypocrisy May 2017 #4
Objective truth is...there were no good guys on the Eastern Front of WWII. Wounded Bear May 2017 #5
The Finns were about the only "good guys" on the Eastern Front Kaleva May 2017 #9
I'll give you that... Wounded Bear May 2017 #11
Um, does it matter that we were allies with the "evil empire" when our Presidents KingCharlemagne May 2017 #12
Not really... Wounded Bear May 2017 #21
Sigh. You better thank your lucky stars we were allies with the USSR. Without the sacrifices of KingCharlemagne May 2017 #24
Sigh...your hyperbole is duly noted. Wounded Bear May 2017 #29
Your false equivalence of Stalin with Hitler is demonstrable proof positive that you KingCharlemagne May 2017 #31
And Stalin had his Gulags... Wounded Bear May 2017 #36
OF course I lionize Stalin (for reasons mentioned elsewhere). Speaking of 'rounding up' people, FDR KingCharlemagne May 2017 #64
Nice whataboutism. Nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2017 #73
Well, you are entitled to your opinions....but... Wounded Bear May 2017 #75
Stalin killed more Russians then Hitler did Germans.. EX500rider May 2017 #85
How many interned Japanese died Vs how many in the Gulags? EX500rider May 2017 #88
And Hitler's invasion of the Soviet Union slowed Stalin's reign of terror on his people. Tommy_Carcetti May 2017 #38
Hitler opened Auschwitz. Stalin (and the Red Army) closed it. Q.E.D. - nt KingCharlemagne May 2017 #66
Well then, Stalin's such a swell guy. Tommy_Carcetti May 2017 #74
Yes, reminds me a lot of the "Hitler was a bad guy but had some good ideas" trope we've all heard BannonsLiver May 2017 #79
I can't believe anyone in their right mind would laud the virtues of Stalin. Tommy_Carcetti May 2017 #81
Some people have a thing for authoritarians BannonsLiver May 2017 #82
Nice thoughtless sound bite. bettyellen May 2017 #78
Stalin served a strategic purpose to us at the time. Hitler didn't. Tommy_Carcetti May 2017 #46
War makes strange bedfellows. Adrahil May 2017 #50
I'm halfway through Snyder's Bloodlands right now Tommy_Carcetti May 2017 #19
Millions? MFM008 May 2017 #54
How about instead we talk about how the USSR lost 26 million fighting Hitler KingCharlemagne May 2017 #6
+1 rug May 2017 #8
How about that is B.S.! NewRedDawn May 2017 #13
What is B.S.? That the USSR lost 100 people for every 1 the U.S. lost? I know U.S. lives KingCharlemagne May 2017 #16
I never disputed thier loses NewRedDawn May 2017 #20
FFS. You need to take a few history classes or read some books. The USSR had KingCharlemagne May 2017 #23
So we had the A Bomb NewRedDawn May 2017 #26
Oy vey. - nt KingCharlemagne May 2017 #27
Is that you Boris Epshtein ? NewRedDawn May 2017 #94
Your rendition of history seems to leave out the Gulags. former9thward May 2017 #93
It was 42 million, including civilians. BSdetect May 2017 #15
Precise casualty counts are impossible. For one thing, the line between KingCharlemagne May 2017 #17
Drumph is an ignorant draft avoiding moron BSdetect May 2017 #48
And how much material support did we give the Soviet Union in WW II?* Botany May 2017 #56
We provided the coats, the Soviet people provided the bodies. Or are you KingCharlemagne May 2017 #65
You really have no shame Botany May 2017 #68
You are the one who has no shame, willing to accept with absolute equanimity that Soviets died at KingCharlemagne May 2017 #69
Say hi to Vlad. just so you could withhold your gratitude and engage in decadent what-aboutism* Botany May 2017 #71
Post removed Post removed May 2017 #72
Yes, it's such an odd kink BannonsLiver May 2017 #80
Oh good WellDarn May 2017 #7
LOL. When the Nazi scum invaded Ukraine, they had to restrain the Ukrainians for being KingCharlemagne May 2017 #14
So what is Vlad? NewRedDawn May 2017 #40
You are quite tiresome. Go read a book or take a history class. - nt KingCharlemagne May 2017 #59
You are a condescending Prick NewRedDawn May 2017 #87
Ukrainian "hero" Stepan Bandera gleefully aided Nazis in hunting down and killing Jews Jake Stern May 2017 #58
There's another word for scum like Bandera: opportunist - nt KingCharlemagne May 2017 #60
Also Please don't use the Bernie Logo NewRedDawn May 2017 #89
There comes a point where the monstrosity is so overwhelming distinctions are pointless Tommy_Carcetti May 2017 #32
I have a feeling WellDarn May 2017 #37
Both Castro and Bautista were bad. Tommy_Carcetti May 2017 #39
Of course you've heard WellDarn May 2017 #45
I was probably a couple of days from not existing as who I am... Tommy_Carcetti May 2017 #47
I appreciate your family experiences WellDarn May 2017 #52
Collectivization was a disaster from the get-go. Tommy_Carcetti May 2017 #76
Hard to argue with that. WellDarn May 2017 #77
Post removed Post removed May 2017 #61
You're spewing some hateful nonsense about your fellow DUers now. But as long bettyellen May 2017 #83
Here's more propaganda rug May 2017 #10
Were it not for Stalin, Zhukov and the Red Army, we would all be goose-stepping KingCharlemagne May 2017 #18
How, pray tell, sarisataka May 2017 #42
You seriously think the Nazis would have conquered America? bettyellen May 2017 #84
If not for US aid, the Russians would be the ones speaking German. EX500rider May 2017 #86
That doesn't excuse anything Stalin did. Tommy_Carcetti May 2017 #49
What-aboutism, the first resort of defenders of the right wing. - nt KingCharlemagne May 2017 #62
Again Bullshit! NewRedDawn May 2017 #22
Sigh. - nt KingCharlemagne May 2017 #25
On this he is correct malaise May 2017 #30
Counter propaganda and whitewashing is not going to improve it Tommy_Carcetti May 2017 #41
Maybe we should leave it folks from neither of the two great malaise May 2017 #43
Agreed. nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2017 #44
The lesson of WW2 is that war is evil. hrmjustin May 2017 #33
We did not need WW2 for that lesson. (See WW1.) IMO, the lesson of WW2 is that sometimes KingCharlemagne May 2017 #34
Yes that is a good point. hrmjustin May 2017 #35
What most ideologues melm00se May 2017 #51
Agree. NewRedDawn May 2017 #53
Correct sarisataka May 2017 #55
Winds of War Cartoonist May 2017 #57
We owe Zhukov big-time. - nt KingCharlemagne May 2017 #63
"Coats" is a bit of an over-simplification sarisataka May 2017 #67
Ukraine was treated by Russia in the thirties... jeanmarc May 2017 #70
I've seen Mugabe fanboys here, Chavez, Castro etc... EX500rider May 2017 #91
I know. That is some shit isn't? NewRedDawn May 2017 #92
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