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poli3

(174 posts) Sun May 7, 2017, 01:35 PM May 2017

The French election proves that it wasn't Russia that elected Trump,it was the Republicans and Comey [View all]

Russia intervened against both Macron and Hillary to help out their preferred candidates, Le Pen and Trump. However, the difference is that the GOP and Comey actively aided Trump, whereas the Republicans and conservatives in France aided Macron.

If you want to stop someone, you actually have to take action against them, otherwise you construct a self-defeating prophecy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-defeating_prophecy

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The French election proves that it wasn't Russia that elected Trump,it was the Republicans and Comey [View all] poli3 May 2017 OP

Or maybe the French are just smarter C_U_L8R May 2017 #1

They paid attention to what happened here. JTFrog May 2017 #23

this . . .n/t annabanana May 2017 #37

Exactly.... FarPoint May 2017 #55

Yes NewRedDawn May 2017 #79

this DrDan May 2017 #43

AND they learned from our mistakes. nt pnwmom May 2017 #45

Yes, less susceptible to propaganda BainsBane May 2017 #67

It only proved our voters aren't as smart in some areas. nikibatts May 2017 #72

Nope! hrmjustin May 2017 #2

Yep, Clearly wrong conclusion. wtf anyway triron May 2017 #17

Please! Botany May 2017 #3

Maybe their elections are honest. MoonRiver May 2017 #4

Ok....No one has said that Russia elected Trump. But, it certainly was chelsea0011 May 2017 #5

Point is that the blame relies on the GOP and Comey poli3 May 2017 #10

France does not have Fox News either. Turbineguy May 2017 #6

France Had Advance Warning Leith May 2017 #13

Indeed they did. Turbineguy May 2017 #48

We should have had advance warning-but the news was kept from us. delisen May 2017 #70

Yep, Comey kept his investigation of trump secret instead of divulging it alone with the Clinton one brush May 2017 #78

Ding Ding Ding. NewRedDawn May 2017 #81

No, ffs, it was Mercer/Bannon (GOP) and Putin. Sculpin Beauregard May 2017 #7

Except that the 'alt-right' media exists in the every country poli3 May 2017 #9

Read the article. Sculpin Beauregard May 2017 #15

That's more murdoch's doing poli3 May 2017 #19

Jesus Christ, don't read it then. smh. Sculpin Beauregard May 2017 #21

*nope* LaydeeBug May 2017 #8

Nyet, comrade. BannonsLiver May 2017 #11

Nyet! ProudLib72 May 2017 #12

Except the French media couldn't report on anything due to the blackout poli3 May 2017 #14

Yeah a whole 44 hour blackout ProudLib72 May 2017 #16

What were they warning about? They didn't say anything poli3 May 2017 #20

Warning ahead of the election ProudLib72 May 2017 #30

French don't read non-French news poli3 May 2017 #33

Nyet! n/t Greybnk48 May 2017 #18

Completely disagree. 6000eliot May 2017 #22

Not talking points, these are facts poli3 May 2017 #26

Trump was the GOP's choice by a mile. L. Coyote May 2017 #24

How do you figure? Hugin May 2017 #25

Message deleted by DU the Administrators kydo May 2017 #27

No, it proves that russian interference doesn't matter poli3 May 2017 #35

Message deleted by DU the Administrators kydo May 2017 #40

GOP purged Dem voters in swing states thru Crosscheck AND Russia interfered maliciously, so... blm May 2017 #77

Doesn't 'prove' anything. elleng May 2017 #28

Not so. Different election. Different issues. Different timing. Altogether different. Stinky The Clown May 2017 #29

In real life usually there are several factors that give an outcome. TexasProgresive May 2017 #31

No, it doesn't. n/t tammywammy May 2017 #32

remember that France holds its runoff election much sooner 0rganism May 2017 #34

the fake news that russia pushed against hillary had an effect and the russians pushing the beachbum bob May 2017 #36

but the same happened in france poli3 May 2017 #38

Here's to the French system as well BeyondGeography May 2017 #39

Not really Lotusflower70 May 2017 #41

Not So Me. May 2017 #42

most of the wikileaks clinton material was fake news anyway poli3 May 2017 #46

But You Are Missing A Major Point Me. May 2017 #50

The Clinton campaign also did that, remember Clinton's point about the intel agencies in the debate? poli3 May 2017 #56

Russia has played their hand padah513 May 2017 #44

It's not about Russia, it's the GOP poli3 May 2017 #47

Then You Are Being Willingly Blind About THis Me. May 2017 #51

no, it was the GOP that turned a blind eye poli3 May 2017 #54

Interesting How Easily You Want To Excuse Russia Me. May 2017 #60

Same situation as with the deal the GOP had between Iran and Reagan poli3 May 2017 #63

Like I Said Me. May 2017 #69

You also ignore the impact of the cynical and shameless media. nt tblue37 May 2017 #84

I lulzed. Nice try. Squinch May 2017 #49

Riiiiiight..... Coventina May 2017 #52

I agree. Russia's interference didn't do as much as Comey and voter suppression did. However, CousinIT May 2017 #53

Rule #1 for stealing an election: The polls must be no more than a 6 point spread librechik May 2017 #57

Forewarned is forearmed. octoberlib May 2017 #58

Actually.... Comey would not have had any reason to send "letter" if not for the coordinated efforts MedusaX May 2017 #59

Excellent Me. May 2017 #62

which laptop are you talking about? poli3 May 2017 #64

Actually, the email problem started with media and Congress requesting Clinton's email karynnj May 2017 #71

well, the recent nytimes story suggests that Comey was apparently influenced by a leaked DNC memo poli3 May 2017 #76

Because, uh, sure, there are no other variables jberryhill May 2017 #61

I think France, after seeing Russia's attempts, didn't fall for it. joshcryer May 2017 #65

except macron was always polling like this poli3 May 2017 #66

The Russians also interfered with the Republican primaries, meaning they interfered all around. blue neen May 2017 #68

Not really proof KT2000 May 2017 #73

Wrong. The French election showed exactly why the Russian hacks worked for us but not for them. kcr May 2017 #74

That probably sounds more convincing in its native Russian. Barack_America May 2017 #75

Not at all. Remember they don't have the electoral college. Like most (all?) nations lunamagica May 2017 #80

Yes it needs to go like yesterday. NewRedDawn May 2017 #83

Nyet. denbot May 2017 #82

Except, you don't expect Russia to behave, you should expect a major US party and Comey to behave poli3 May 2017 #86

don't forget the teevee gnewz that pimped turnip for ratings. pansypoo53219 May 2017 #85

That's what I think too blueinredohio May 2017 #87

. ismnotwasm May 2017 #88

Actually, it doesn't prove that. It's not as if they're mutually exclusive. JHB May 2017 #89

The French learned from us.. that's obvious. Cha May 2017 #90