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karynnj

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47. Actually, credit the French voters, Americans WERE told by President Obama, 17 intelligence
Sun May 7, 2017, 05:07 PM
May 2017

agencies and by Hillary Clinton in one of the debates where she referred to the statement of the 17 agencies. That all happened more than a month before the election.

In contrast, the ONLY notice that the French got was a statement put out by the Macron campaign about 5 minutes before the quiet period began. The government did nothing itself other than make a very strong statement about the news media honoring the quiet period. The Macron campaign had earlier spoken about the fake news from RT and Sputnik and that they had been the target for a huge number of unsuccessful hacking efforts.

I suspect that two big things may have made the difference -- one was the American experience that Macron did reference when speaking of RT and the hacks, the other was that Macron was seen as "clean" and that he forcefully had denied the allegations that Le Pen hinted at in the last debate and actually filed a suit.

In addition, I think a clearer case could be made that the Comey letters and the email investigation itself were the cause. The argument on the leaks is far more subtle and hard to prove. Where you can see the polls shift drastically with the Comey letters, I did not see any clear impact when the leaks happened.

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Macron has won! [View all] beveeheart May 2017 OP
Here Is a Link to the Guardian Leith May 2017 #1
watching 24 France - declared winner! mchill May 2017 #2
Watching le Pen now. beveeheart May 2017 #6
A strong victory is GREAT NEWS! nt Ilsa May 2017 #3
Whoohoo! blogslut May 2017 #4
awesome! mnmoderatedem May 2017 #5
+++ agree iluvtennis May 2017 #22
Congratulations to the French people! NastyRiffraff May 2017 #7
Maybe they took note of what was happening to us under Trump The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #9
+++ agree iluvtennis May 2017 #23
They learned.. we were a cautionary tale.. Cha May 2017 #56
Just got the BBC bulletin shenmue May 2017 #8
Very good news, indeed! suffragette May 2017 #10
Vive la Resistance! There is still hope for the world. Thank you France! Fla Dem May 2017 #11
Vive la Resistance! FUCK Putin, tRump and Bannon! BigmanPigman May 2017 #16
Generation X wins its first major election. bathroommonkey76 May 2017 #12
+1 uponit7771 May 2017 #21
C'est magnifique! calimary May 2017 #13
WOOHOO! MoonRiver May 2017 #14
Maybe France can save us again in our time of need? Beartracks May 2017 #15
Merci france!!! You chose compassion! Nt retrowire May 2017 #17
+++ agree iluvtennis May 2017 #24
YES!!! France sent a big FUCK you to Trump, Bannon, Putin! fun n serious May 2017 #18
Don't knock centrists, people! beastie boy May 2017 #19
A French centrist would be well left of center in the USA bigbrother05 May 2017 #58
The U.S. Bill of Rights and the Independence Declaration were borrowed from France's question everything May 2017 #20
Like! So glad Macron bitch the bigot LePen...wish we had done that here in US iluvtennis May 2017 #25
YEEEEEEEESSSSS! nt JTFrog May 2017 #26
Makes you wannabe French. democratisphere May 2017 #27
Trump's tweet on Macron... iluvtennis May 2017 #28
Watch padah513 May 2017 #37
Yep, and our US media won't call him on it. GAAAAH iluvtennis May 2017 #38
Thank God the French voters were told of the Russian interference. Makes us more angry Akamai May 2017 #29
Actually, credit the French voters, Americans WERE told by President Obama, 17 intelligence karynnj May 2017 #47
Congrats to France, they didn't fuck up like us. n/m RhodeIslandOne May 2017 #30
She voted for Le Pen to piss people of, soreminiscent of the [non]thinking that occur ed here in US iluvtennis May 2017 #31
- Bigredhunk May 2017 #32
VIVE LA FRANCE! COLGATE4 May 2017 #33
Take that, Bannon and Putin!I orangecrush May 2017 #34
Putin: You put a clown at the White House, but the circus has...closed. You won't succeed in Europe iluvtennis May 2017 #35
Hallelujah! A good sign! nt Honeycombe8 May 2017 #36
Vive la France. dchill May 2017 #39
Woo-hoo!!!! I am so glad we do not have another trump but with a vagina!!! Doreen May 2017 #40
It's interesting, isn't it, athena May 2017 #45
They will not outwardly admt it but they have seen their mistake Doreen May 2017 #46
Bravo France! smirkymonkey May 2017 #41
His crowd is bigger than 45's Inauguration crowd. Tweets coming!! nikibatts May 2017 #42
LOL good one onetexan May 2017 #52
Eerily reminiscent of the Iraq War era: Germany, France, Canada, and Mexico all opposing it Blue Ridge Virginia May 2017 #43
When Macron got the highest vote in the first round, athena May 2017 #44
Macron's speech was so powerful. democrank May 2017 #48
I am so happy! 90-percent May 2017 #49
LOL thank u for the good laugh onetexan May 2017 #53
Beautiful speech. Tatiana May 2017 #50
Vive la democratie!!! onetexan May 2017 #51
Vive la France! GoneOffShore May 2017 #54
I have a message for you guys Cha May 2017 #55
It's less easy to game the system with.... MrPurple May 2017 #57
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