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kestrel91316

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64. Didn't get it from the dog, period. They are not definitive hosts and cannot

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 10:29 PM

Jul 2012

shed infective oocysts.

Didn't get it from wild birds or their poop. They have nothing to do with Toxo.

Cat poop in the garden outside is a common source, but like I said, incompletely cooked meat is more likely than anything.

For the record, I am a veterinarian, have a cat practice, have a special interest in zoonotic diseases (Toxo is the biggie in cats), and also have a degree in microbiology. I will hunt for a link and edit this post. But this topic is one that is not just professional interest - I have a duty to know this stuff.

ETA: Here's CDC's page on the epidemiology of Toxo.
http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/toxoplasmosis/epi.html

I don't have a link for the article that showed how there was no statistical link between cats and humans with positive Toxo titers, but I know this has been researched well and published and it's common knowledge in the zoonosis community. Maybe I saw it at Worms & Germs blog.

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Scientists suspect link between cat feces, female suicide [View all] FarCenter Jul 2012 OP

OR -- reclusive women who live alone with cats are suicidal? banned from Kos Jul 2012 #1

Could be, or something like that ... sometimes these studies don't RKP5637 Jul 2012 #2

I agree. One report said that during the life span of the average person, Booster Jul 2012 #55

Wow! Just plain wow! Yep, a lot of BS flies around in some of these studies. Think of RKP5637 Jul 2012 #59

And I think study groups get huge amounts from the gov for their studies. They have to submit Booster Jul 2012 #68

more reason for me to sleep on my stomach. face in pillow. pansypoo53219 Jul 2012 #65

Then you will be swallowing more mites. Uncle Joe Jul 2012 #75

The truest illustration of 'damned if you do, damned coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #103

Where did it say the women were 'reclusive'? Cerridwen Jul 2012 #3

It didn't say that. banned from Kos Jul 2012 #7

Seriously? Stats? Research? Cerridwen Jul 2012 #10

anecdotal -- I make no value judgement at all banned from Kos Jul 2012 #12

As suspected. Anecdata and a "no judgement" judgement. Cerridwen Jul 2012 #14

Porn? Money? I don't know what reclusive men hoard. banned from Kos Jul 2012 #17

Urine? loyalsister Jul 2012 #20

Why is that, banned? Cerridwen Jul 2012 #21

Reclusive men are far more violence prone of course. banned from Kos Jul 2012 #23

If you say so. Cerridwen Jul 2012 #27

Common knowledge get the red out Jul 2012 #77

Here's one study that found 76% of hoarders were female: 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #82

We had one such case recently here in Kansas City KansDem Jul 2012 #79

Apparently Porn snooper2 Jul 2012 #86

I'd like to see a link to your "that is a fact" statement. Hoarders hoard lots of stuff, crunch60 Jul 2012 #102

Where did it say cat have four legs? cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #78

That would be saying about 2% of the women in Denmark Gman Jul 2012 #13

Facts NeverEnuff Jul 2012 #51

OK, after reading this info, how many women are going to get rid of their cats? n/t RebelOne Jul 2012 #4

Not me. Brigid Jul 2012 #6

It would be suicidal if my wife ever tried getting rid of my cat NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #39

Mine too. He's my 24 hour companion. He just likes to be with me. He adopted RKP5637 Jul 2012 #44

You have beautiful animals ryan_cats Jul 2012 #89

Thank you NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #100

OK.... Turbineguy Jul 2012 #5

I've been changing cat litter for 50 years, HockeyMom Jul 2012 #8

You ought to start a thread with this. nt raccoon Jul 2012 #18

You are absolutely right, HockeyMom. Wonder who is funding this research? I japple Jul 2012 #19

"If you are not having medical issues, there is no reason to see a doctor" sorry, but dionysus Jul 2012 #38

Well, opinions are like assholes... japple Jul 2012 #49

Learn to listen to your own body HockeyMom Jul 2012 #53

Yep! Just listening to the pharmaceutical advertising on TV is just RKP5637 Jul 2012 #61

the point is you could have serious medical issue like diabetes and high blood pressure and not have dionysus Jul 2012 #71

1000+ Bryn Jul 2012 #25

Then log off DU if you don't like "science"...science CreekDog Jul 2012 #57

I assume you know your experience means nothing. Some smokers live till they are 100.... Logical Jul 2012 #62

My grandma smoked for 70 years 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #84

Correlation, Causation, and all that... Odin2005 Jul 2012 #9

Hey, the litter box stinks but it's not THAT bad. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2012 #11

The vast majority of cases of Toxoplasma in the US are unrelated to cat contact, kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #15

Hi kestrel. Do you have a link? I have a friend whose daugher has toxoplasmosis japple Jul 2012 #50

Didn't get it from the dog, period. They are not definitive hosts and cannot kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #64

Thank you, Kestrel, for the link. I will pass it japple Jul 2012 #70

What the paper actually says. Not as sensational as the reportage. FarCenter Jul 2012 #73

That's going to be largely a matter of whether or not a cat has ever caught and eaten prey that kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #74

I can't believe this isn't in the Lounge! nt raccoon Jul 2012 #16

Kick for watching this clusterfuck unravel. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #22

Cat shit's pretty gross to begin with, but it just got more gross. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #24

As opposed to? Control-Z Jul 2012 #28

Cat farts have a half-life. Cat shit isn't much better. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #31

I see you've never owned a dog DBoon Jul 2012 #35

I've owned dogs for all but six of my years. Dog farts stink, but they don't linger like cat farts. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #37

My kids' are worse Control-Z Jul 2012 #48

Kids particularly like it when you refer to it as "tooting". HopeHoops Jul 2012 #69

I am awaiting scientific confirmation DBoon Jul 2012 #63

after dealing with diapers for two years I'll take hard cat shit lumps any day snooper2 Jul 2012 #90

Yeah, we went through three kids in cloth diapers. Youngest is 17 now. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #95

Sure obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #26

Ain't that some shit? n/t man4allcats Jul 2012 #29

The jokes will write themselves for this. LOL Arctic Dave Jul 2012 #30

"The jokes will write themselves for this." Cerridwen Jul 2012 #32

Your indignant post only make this more fun. Arctic Dave Jul 2012 #33

You are most welcome. Cerridwen Jul 2012 #36

LOL Arctic Dave Jul 2012 #47

The histrionic reactions are the punchlines to aforementioned jokes. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #60

Cat hoarders tend to be female 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #85

Toxoplasmosis? Taverner Jul 2012 #34

I'd rather kill myself than live without my cats RedCappedBandit Jul 2012 #40

The fish are biting today. Gold Metal Flake Jul 2012 #41

Maybe it just sucks to be a crazy cat lady. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #42

Or maybe you could read post #3 and its subsequent Cerridwen Jul 2012 #43

Meh. Crazy cat ladies aren't worth that much reading effort. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #45

Of course not. Women, "crazy" or otherwise... Cerridwen Jul 2012 #46

Beer cans BuelahWitch Jul 2012 #67

Women are overrepresnted in hoarding cases 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #88

I think I've figured it out Duer 157099 Jul 2012 #52

Could it be? NeverEnuff Jul 2012 #54

No, that's just an anthropomorphic tool to describe evolutionary behavior Duer 157099 Jul 2012 #66

Only WOMEN have cats and change litter? HockeyMom Jul 2012 #56

Same with my husband, we both LiberalLoner Jul 2012 #91

Many, many women have BOTH children AND cats HockeyMom Jul 2012 #99

A) more women than men own cats 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #92

University of Maryland? tjwash Jul 2012 #58

The study was done in Denmark, and three authors are from Denmark FarCenter Jul 2012 #72

Link to all of Dr. Scott Weese's toxo posts on Worms&Germs blog: kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #76

Thanks for the links -- I forwarded the pdf to my daughter, the vet. FarCenter Jul 2012 #87

Show of hands please! Who would prefer scientists do something else, like end global warming? Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #80

Well, veterinary and human epidemiologists have their niche, and kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #93

Does it not have this effect on men? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #81

Toxoplasma infection is (potentially?) associated with birth defects Duer 157099 Jul 2012 #83

Could be 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #96

A "cat-hoarder" lives next door to me. Whether she is a "crazy-cat-lady" is unknown. OneTenthofOnePercent Jul 2012 #94

"Cat hoarder" is the official name for the crazy cat lady of yore. kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #98

Put 20 seconds on the clock, let Tosh.0 go to town just1voice Jul 2012 #97

More war on women! Another Bullshit study! Government grants $$$ crunch60 Jul 2012 #101