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33. Stop repeating the "horrible campaign" meme. It wasn't horrible. 3m more voters...

Mon May 8, 2017, 12:50 PM

May 2017

voted for Clinton. There was the unprecedented Comey, Putin, Assange, Interstate Crosscheck, et al phenomenon that this OP and many others go on about while ignoring the fact that no other candidate in the history of this country ever had to combat such determined, negative, immoral opposition yet still got way more actual votes.

No other candidate ever. Ever. The oft cited "deplorables" remark is no worse than Obama's "they cling to their guns and religion" remark or Romney's "47%" one.

I say that but I also say that it is time for a new generation of Dem presidential candidates to go against an aging trump who will be 74 in 2020, or quite possibly the also older looking Pence (don't know his age).

I doubt Hillary has any desire to run again anyway.

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Making The Case For 2020 Hillary Clinton [View all] Rustyeye77 May 2017 OP

Only if the Dems want to lose. Hell Hath No Fury May 2017 #1

+1. NT enough May 2017 #9

+1,000,000 InAbLuEsTaTe May 2017 #51

We don't have the luxury of running a terrible candidate who would make a great president geek tragedy May 2017 #2

I like the way that you put that. nt FBaggins May 2017 #29

Can we get an "Amen!"? InAbLuEsTaTe May 2017 #54

Hasn't she suffered enough? DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #3

haven't we all? dembotoz May 2017 #10

That comments makes me angry. boston bean May 2017 #35

ok dembotoz May 2017 #77

I love Hillary and if she ran I would strongly consider voting for her but at this point I think hrmjustin May 2017 #4

I agree with you wholeheartedly, on both counts. Caliman73 May 2017 #30

No. It's time for a new face. No Hillary, Bernie or Joe. Vinca May 2017 #5

Agreed. smirkymonkey May 2017 #16

Not sure bout your including Bernie on the list. I mean he's ONLY the most popular politician today. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2017 #57

I love Bernie, but he isn't aging in reverse. Surely, there must be viable younger contenders. Vinca May 2017 #61

Oh, there's no doubt... but Bernie is spry for his age. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2017 #62

Bernie's great, but he'd be 79. Ken Burch May 2017 #129

My dad was 94 when he passed and was as active & lucid as he was in his 60's... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2017 #139

My mom is 91, and she's still amazing. Ken Burch May 2017 #141

Okay, gotcha... would your mom consider being Bernie's running mate? haha InAbLuEsTaTe May 2017 #145

You never know. Ken Burch May 2017 #147

Agreed. n/t. Ken Burch May 2017 #131

Troll bait! Go away Pisces May 2017 #6

Oh pleeease. Rustyeye77 May 2017 #18

"One of the most inept campaigns of all time?" Hortensis May 2017 #44

"Inept" is little harsh... but not too far off. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2017 #58

Hmmmmm. Good argument WinkyDink May 2017 #121

Oh, please, no. Volstagg May 2017 #7

Or worse loyalsister May 2017 #125

I'd vote for her, work for her, contribute to her campaign DrDan May 2017 #8

Adlai Stevenson H2O Man May 2017 #11

. Cooley Hurd May 2017 #109

Post removed Post removed May 2017 #12

Yes, the "blueprint" that's been redrafted dozens of times is certainly dead... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2017 #63

No, it's time for someone new. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #13

Clinton's time has come and gone. Big Blue Marble May 2017 #14

Well, the Republican playbook is a thick one. Orsino May 2017 #15

NO. Just.... no.... n/t Locrian May 2017 #17

I recommend using the block quote function to better distinguish... JHB May 2017 #19

Better to use the "excerpt" function, to set off the quote in a gray box. nt tblue37 May 2017 #111

Ironically, that's what I meant. I plead "Monday". JHB May 2017 #116

LOL. nt tblue37 May 2017 #117

Absolutely not. Kentonio May 2017 #20

No. Just no. mnhtnbb May 2017 #21

At this point only Biden and Buttigieg are interesting as alternatives stevenleser May 2017 #22

The Clintons are done, so are the Obamas, and Biden and Kerry BeyondGeography May 2017 #23

Agreed Va Lefty May 2017 #48

Agree that the Clintons are done NewJeffCT May 2017 #56

Michelle has already said no (many times) BeyondGeography May 2017 #72

politicians change their minds all the time NewJeffCT May 2017 #74

Michelle is not a politician loyalsister May 2017 #120

You forgot sanders. And, Michelle doesn't want to run Cha May 2017 #88

I may be in the minority here.. Rustyeye77 May 2017 #24

Yeah, but would she get elected? KPN May 2017 #34

Not sure that people doubt she would be great. Caliman73 May 2017 #46

That's not the question... it's could she get elected? That question's been asked and answered. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2017 #65

72 years old. No. Same goes for Biden and Bernie. We need YOUNG blood. scheming daemons May 2017 #25

Yeah, old women like Nancy Pelosi only WhiteTara May 2017 #37

Had she won 2016 she would have been 72 also treestar May 2017 #55

I think so too.. there must be some great Democratic Leader Cha May 2017 #89

I don't think she ran a bad campaign. hamsterjill May 2017 #26

I agree with your basic premise but I believe it is a bad idea to emphasize the Russians StevieM May 2017 #31

It was a bad. She stopped campaigning in the three states that lost it for her. Kirkwood May 2017 #66

You'll pardon me if I wait for the full investigation, right? hamsterjill May 2017 #80

Polls in my state of Pennsylvania? WinkyDink May 2017 #122

Nationwide polls. hamsterjill May 2017 #137

Exactly, I'm tired of this "she ran a terrible campaign" bullshit. NewDealProgressive May 2017 #92

Thank you!!! hamsterjill May 2017 #94

Had she been a better candidate KTM May 2017 #99

Love Hillary, but NO. dalton99a May 2017 #27

I didn't think that her campaign was horrible Proud Liberal Dem May 2017 #28

Nope! Hillary need to tell Democrats to take a flying leap. leftofcool May 2017 #32

Stop repeating the "horrible campaign" meme. It wasn't horrible. 3m more voters... brush May 2017 #33

It was worse because after it happens TWICE in recent memory loyalsister May 2017 #124

I totally disagree. She got 3m more votes and then there was Comey, Putin and repug cheating brush May 2017 #134

Low voter turnout loyalsister May 2017 #135

Uh-huh. And you believe what comes out of the mouth of repug election officials? The same people... brush May 2017 #138

Tulsi 2020 jpmonk91 May 2017 #36

sorry WhiteTara May 2017 #39

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Post removed Post removed May 2017 #45

Why? nt Kirkwood May 2017 #67

Google is your friend WhiteTara May 2017 #81

Are you joking? Kirkwood May 2017 #84

Sorry, I'm working today WhiteTara May 2017 #86

lol, i hope i'm allowed to laugh at this. n/t. okieinpain May 2017 #38

Oh JESUS FUCKING CHRIST LOL snooper2 May 2017 #40

I think the article has it backwards. I don't think she should run again but I also completely StevieM May 2017 #41

No thanks.... BlueJac May 2017 #43

I love HRC. She is my hero. LOL Lib May 2017 #47

I agree completely. (n/t) athena May 2017 #136

No. Love her but she couldn't win. Nevermypresident May 2017 #49

NO MoonRiver May 2017 #50

I like the idea because it can be treestar May 2017 #52

No. Just NO!!! WoonTars May 2017 #53

Why do you find experience and wisdom to be objectionable? NurseJackie May 2017 #87

I don't. WoonTars May 2017 #97

LOL NurseJackie May 2017 #112

Which part of that was funny? WoonTars May 2017 #115

Seriously? She'll be in her 70s! WinkyDink May 2017 #123

Why do you hate America? beam me up scottie May 2017 #113

Dear god, NO. No. No, NO! davsand May 2017 #59

No mainstreetonce May 2017 #60

Can we please focus on 2018 first?!?!?! Yavin4 May 2017 #64

True Rustyeye77 May 2017 #85

Thank you! Chellee May 2017 #119

Nope. Act_of_Reparation May 2017 #68

Surest way to get another 4 years of Trump. Kirkwood May 2017 #69

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! beaglelover May 2017 #70

Oh, FFS. SHE HAS SAID SHE 2016 WAS HER LAST CAMPAIGN. GoCubsGo May 2017 #71

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Calculating May 2017 #73

While I appreciate your HRC COMPETENCE argument ... PsychoBabble May 2017 #75

No. We need someone that lives on the campaign trail for the General. Blue_true May 2017 #76

Let's look at successful D candidates Retrograde May 2017 #78

NO The River May 2017 #79

And, I hope sanders doesn't run.. "NO and Hell No". Cha May 2017 #91

I don't think he would. Ken Burch May 2017 #144

GIVE IT, AND HER, A REST. WinkyDink May 2017 #82

I don't hate Hillary but anglesphere May 2017 #83

Hillary already said she was NOT running .. so all Cha May 2017 #90

I didn't realize she said that anglesphere May 2017 #146

We win the WH whenever we put up fresh faces. Bill Clinton, Obama, Carter. Abu Pepe May 2017 #93

Please don't. I voted for her and supported her, but I don't want to go through madinmaryland May 2017 #95

Nixon is quite unusual in coming back to win after a general-election loss Jim Lane May 2017 #96

"one of the worst campaigns in modern political history"??? Amimnoch May 2017 #98

With a better campaign/candidate KTM May 2017 #100

LOL. Amimnoch May 2017 #101

I completely disagree. Comey slaughtered her with his tactics. And a different candidate might StevieM May 2017 #102

*might have* KTM May 2017 #107

Comey had been sabotaging her for over a year. Appointing him was Obama's worst mistake. StevieM May 2017 #105

Gosh. I think your post might be disingenuous. Gosh. Wonder why someone would do that. Squinch May 2017 #103

I think she knows she will never be president. madaboutharry May 2017 #104

Well, I think she ran a great campaign. The party brass just didn't realize what Warpy May 2017 #106

What part of: PoindexterOglethorpe May 2017 #108

NO! GitRDun May 2017 #110

No thanks. And no Bernie or Biden either. Warren DeMontague May 2017 #114

Agreed. Ken Burch May 2017 #142

No way, please williesgirl May 2017 #118

No! No! No! No! Binkie The Clown May 2017 #126

You know when you have that sudden idea PsychoBabble May 2017 #127

We can only win in 2020 if we run someone who had nothing to do with 2016. Ken Burch May 2017 #128

Does anybody else feel queasy about the "look at Nixon" part of this argument? Ken Burch May 2017 #130

No democrank May 2017 #132

No. Time for new. JNelson6563 May 2017 #133

She ran horrible campaigns in both runs Egnever May 2017 #140

I want new blood jzodda May 2017 #143