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kristopher

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30. The Physicians for a National Health Program's answer

Mon May 8, 2017, 03:53 PM

May 2017

Who is PNHP
Physicians for a National Health Program is a non-profit research and education organization of 20,000 physicians, medical students and health professionals who support single-payer national health insurance.

Lancet studies explore U.S. health inequity
Lancet_CoverLeading British medical journal The Lancet has published a special issue devoted to health inequity in the U.S. The April 8, 2017 issue includes a series of papers curated by PNHP co-founders Drs. David Himmelstein and Steffie Woolhandler, along with Dr. Samuel Dickman. To access the full series, visit thelancet.com/us-health. To view supplementary materials, including media coverage and an extensive infographic, click here: http://www.pnhp.org/lancetusa

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Let's solve the Health Care Cost Issue! [View all] Honeycombe8 May 2017 OP

Here are my changes/additions to your proposal Yavin4 May 2017 #1

+1 nt Honeycombe8 May 2017 #2

#1 sounds an awful lot like... karadax May 2017 #12

Everyone HAS to pay into it in order for it to get the political/economic support that it needs. Yavin4 May 2017 #13

So the GOP tells us and if you can't pay? Then what 'die quickly?' Demsrule86 May 2017 #51

Everybody has to pay something into the system in order for the system to be sustainable. Yavin4 May 2017 #55

There are some who will never be able to pay... and what if you lose your job...your Demsrule86 May 2017 #57

Great idea-Now You Just Need to Line Up 60 Votes in the Senate Stallion May 2017 #3

Get rid of healthcare advertising crazycatlady May 2017 #4

True. Advertising works, which is why they do it. Which is why the fed should do it, instead of Honeycombe8 May 2017 #5

You stole mine, specifically about prescription drugs genxlib May 2017 #10

Yes. I saw a dr on tv saying after a prescription drug runs an ad, he gets an INCREASE Honeycombe8 May 2017 #36

A 7% payroll tax Freddie May 2017 #6

What about the people who don't pay payroll taxes? Yavin4 May 2017 #14

Pretty much everyone pays payroll taxes unless they're unemployed or retired Freddie May 2017 #15

People who get government assistance don't pay payroll taxes. n/t Yavin4 May 2017 #17

Takers! Freddie May 2017 #18

But now you have a system where the "rich" pay more for other people's healthcare Yavin4 May 2017 #19

Tell that to the Germans. They pay 8% of income, and the people with no income pay nothing... Buckeye_Democrat May 2017 #33

There is a group that pays no payroll taxes. Demsrule86 May 2017 #25

Govt employees don't pay payroll taxes, do they? They can't get Social Security. nt Honeycombe8 May 2017 #37

Nor do people who get capital gains and use this as their income... quite a few which is why Demsrule86 May 2017 #52

Federalize insurance zipplewrath May 2017 #7

Hmmmm. This sounds feasible. nt Honeycombe8 May 2017 #38

Total and complete subsidization not unlike the military... Shandris May 2017 #8

This is why single payer will never pass... a whole bunch of people would never agree to that...and Demsrule86 May 2017 #24

"That is why single payer will never pass"??? kristopher May 2017 #31

I meant a big bill giving us single payer will not pass...all the BS that will be thrown Demsrule86 May 2017 #53

...I think you might have misread my post...? Shandris May 2017 #34

Who wouldn't want a system like the one you suggest...but it has to be single payer with Demsrule86 May 2017 #48

Probably easier to do than pass a new system. But the ins. cos. are still skimming off the top. nt Honeycombe8 May 2017 #39

And? Switzerland uses private insurers...the goal is to enact the best plan we can to help the Demsrule86 May 2017 #49

Not all those folks will be out of work Phoenix61 May 2017 #9

1) Ration end of life care taught_me_patience May 2017 #11

I am against that also...why would you play the GOP games...there is no such Demsrule86 May 2017 #23

I agree with this 100%!!! Preventive care is NOT practiced in this country. nt Honeycombe8 May 2017 #40

Tax the goddamned fucking rich. n/t Orsino May 2017 #16

Penalize unhealthy behaviors Lee-Lee May 2017 #20

Absolutely not...you do not introduce blame into the health care system...terrible idea. Demsrule86 May 2017 #22

So when someone rides a motorcycle drunk with no helmet Lee-Lee May 2017 #26

You care for everyone...and don't decide who deserves care and who doesn't...seriously what Demsrule86 May 2017 #27

Then you will never control costs Lee-Lee May 2017 #29

You control costs in Europe and other places by a non-profit system. Demsrule86 May 2017 #54

Umm, what I describe is done daily in Europe Lee-Lee May 2017 #58

+1 taught_me_patience May 2017 #66

I agree. It's not that it's a bad thing it's just reality Lee-Lee May 2017 #70

I tend to agree. Honeycombe8 May 2017 #59

We have tax penalties and fines for other things that harm society as a whole Lee-Lee May 2017 #60

Maybe not a tax, but a credit of some sort for an obese person losing weight? Honeycombe8 May 2017 #61

No there shouldn't be a way to force people to behave a certain way...and you advocate the death Demsrule86 May 2017 #28

Sticking your head in the sand and pretending a problem doesn't exist Lee-Lee May 2017 #35

Yes it is...we do not advocate denying care for people who live a life style based on some Demsrule86 May 2017 #50

I knew a woman who'd eat cake then stick herself w/her insulin shot in her abdomen afterwards. Honeycombe8 May 2017 #41

And your point? People aren't perfect...so your solution is to let them die by refusing them care? Demsrule86 May 2017 #46

There is a medium balance and taught_me_patience May 2017 #62

Education and well care programs...but refusing care is not an option for me. Demsrule86 May 2017 #63

Education and well care programs don't work taught_me_patience May 2017 #67

That is completely untrue...I have family in Ireland and in Canada...so you want to deny Demsrule86 May 2017 #69

My Grandfather was as thin as a rail and had diabetes...I don't have it. Demsrule86 May 2017 #64

We will be fortunate to save health care and that is the truth... Demsrule86 May 2017 #21

I don't believe the health care system will ever work as long as ins. cos. are taking Honeycombe8 May 2017 #42

Ah well as I have people in my family with pre-existing...I'll take what we have and try to Demsrule86 May 2017 #45

The Physicians for a National Health Program's answer kristopher May 2017 #30

I think we SHOULD listen to care providers...they have an insight that the rest of us don't. nt Honeycombe8 May 2017 #43

Healthcare has a few pre-existing conditions of its own which need to be treated first: MedusaX May 2017 #32

This is a tough one. I hadn't thought of this. A lot of politicians and rich people... Honeycombe8 May 2017 #44

A lot of poor and middle class people will die if the current system goes down. Demsrule86 May 2017 #47

Let's solve the Health Care Cost Issue! workinclasszero May 2017 #56

universal healthcare period jimjc May 2017 #65

I agree. Funny when Trump praised Australia's health care system as being better than ours. Honeycombe8 May 2017 #68