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diva77

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5. unfortunately optiscan machines (or opscans as referred to in article) hackable
Tue May 9, 2017, 12:19 AM
May 2017

Having a paper ballot is great as long as it is hand counted. The optiscan machines have proprietary software and can also be easily hacked. No way for pollworker or registrar to know whether machine truly starts at zero when scanning ballots, no way to know whether votes are counted as cast. And trying to obtain a recount/audit of such elections is nearly impossible and very expensive.

Interesting article at this link:

http://electiondefensealliance.org/florida_op_scan_systems_hacked_three_ways

snip...A little man living in every ballot box
The Diebold optical scan system uses a dangerous programming methodology, with an executable program living inside the electronic ballot box. This method is the equivalent of having a little man living in the ballot box, holding an eraser and a pencil. With an executable program in the memory card, no Diebold opti-scan ballot box can be considered "empty" at the start of the election...snip

...snip...the Diebold optical scan program, housed on a chip inside the voting machine, places a call to a program living in the removable memory card during the election. The demonstration also showed that the executable program on the memory card (ballot box) can easily be changed, and that checks and balances, required by FEC standards to catch unauthorized changes, were not implemented by Diebold -- yet the system was certified anyway.

The Diebold system in Leon County, Florida succumbed to multiple attacks.

Read more: Florida Op-Scan Systems Hacked Three Ways | Election Defense Alliance http://electiondefensealliance.org/florida_op_scan_systems_hacked_three_ways#ixzz4gYWM1cJs
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Well, aren't they voting for just one office? frazzled May 2017 #1
How large is your precinct? Sounds like there is consolidation of precincts going on where you are diva77 May 2017 #2
No, just one precinct frazzled May 2017 #3
unfortunately optiscan machines (or opscans as referred to in article) hackable diva77 May 2017 #5
The registrar can coordinate pollworkers so that there are enough to count ballots at each precinct diva77 May 2017 #6
+++ agree iluvtennis May 2017 #7
I wouldn't trust the poll workers to count their fingers frazzled May 2017 #18
Machine count vs human count invariably concludes... yallerdawg May 2017 #29
sure, unless the machines are purposely intended to miscount. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #36
Here's an excellent & brief youtube that includes footage of hand counting of paper ballots diva77 May 2017 #9
It varies by state and jurisdiction. Igel May 2017 #4
It's a fallacy: belief that you get clean results with computerized voting & tabulating diva77 May 2017 #8
The same can be said for paper ballots Egnever May 2017 #13
Sometimes the simplest solution is the best -- hand counting is the best way to avoid rampant diva77 May 2017 #15
The idea there was no election fraud when it was all paper ballots is not credible Egnever May 2017 #16
nobody is saying that, but it would seem that computers would make it a lot easier. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #35
If election fraud is "rampant" please provide actual evidence mythology May 2017 #25
how will you get a comprehensive hand recount, and examination of software/hardware, if you can't fi TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #34
Are you effing kidding me? LeftyMom May 2017 #10
That's the price you pay for democracy. DetlefK May 2017 #11
Last I checked we already have democracy in California. LeftyMom May 2017 #12
ha ha; that's what they want you to think, anyway. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #33
That can be resolved by having shifts for personnel & increasing number of personnel at precinct diva77 May 2017 #14
Sorry but that is easily verifiable if you use a machine with a paper trail. Egnever May 2017 #17
This would work as long as we also had RANDOM unannounced AUDITS before the results are certified. crazylikafox May 2017 #19
check out my previous response -- #21 diva77 May 2017 #24
the problem is that the paper receipts will never see the light of day 99.999% of the time; in order TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #31
Handing ballots off increases the opportunity for chicanery. LeftyMom May 2017 #20
Unfortunately, what you see is not what you get - I wish it were diva77 May 2017 #21
So if your assertion is true why aren't they effecting elections in CA? LeftyMom May 2017 #22
Gerrymandering definitely plays a role in the republican skewed results. Sometimes it's not diva77 May 2017 #23
Your argument is long on assertions and short on evidence. LeftyMom May 2017 #26
you are a whole lot more trusting than i am; if the machines CAN be hacked, they will be. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #28
The obvious solution is an airgap. LeftyMom May 2017 #30
yes; we need all paper ballots, all hand-counted, all the time. it's been done for centuries, TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #32
Absolutely!!...and don't tell anyone...but hand counting is just COLLATING diva77 May 2017 #37
well, the french obviously aren't as smart as americans... nt TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #27
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