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iluvtennis

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Reply to diva77 (Reply #6)

Tue May 9, 2017, 12:27 AM

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French election: VAST MAJORITY OF VOTING IS BY PAPER BALLOT, COUNTED BY HAND [View all] diva77 May 2017 OP

Well, aren't they voting for just one office? frazzled May 2017 #1

How large is your precinct? Sounds like there is consolidation of precincts going on where you are diva77 May 2017 #2

No, just one precinct frazzled May 2017 #3

unfortunately optiscan machines (or opscans as referred to in article) hackable diva77 May 2017 #5

The registrar can coordinate pollworkers so that there are enough to count ballots at each precinct diva77 May 2017 #6

+++ agree iluvtennis May 2017 #7

I wouldn't trust the poll workers to count their fingers frazzled May 2017 #18

Machine count vs human count invariably concludes... yallerdawg May 2017 #29

sure, unless the machines are purposely intended to miscount. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #36

Here's an excellent & brief youtube that includes footage of hand counting of paper ballots diva77 May 2017 #9

It varies by state and jurisdiction. Igel May 2017 #4

It's a fallacy: belief that you get clean results with computerized voting & tabulating diva77 May 2017 #8

The same can be said for paper ballots Egnever May 2017 #13

Sometimes the simplest solution is the best -- hand counting is the best way to avoid rampant diva77 May 2017 #15

The idea there was no election fraud when it was all paper ballots is not credible Egnever May 2017 #16

nobody is saying that, but it would seem that computers would make it a lot easier. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #35

If election fraud is "rampant" please provide actual evidence mythology May 2017 #25

how will you get a comprehensive hand recount, and examination of software/hardware, if you can't fi TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #34

Are you effing kidding me? LeftyMom May 2017 #10

That's the price you pay for democracy. DetlefK May 2017 #11

Last I checked we already have democracy in California. LeftyMom May 2017 #12

ha ha; that's what they want you to think, anyway. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #33

That can be resolved by having shifts for personnel & increasing number of personnel at precinct diva77 May 2017 #14

Sorry but that is easily verifiable if you use a machine with a paper trail. Egnever May 2017 #17

This would work as long as we also had RANDOM unannounced AUDITS before the results are certified. crazylikafox May 2017 #19

check out my previous response -- #21 diva77 May 2017 #24

the problem is that the paper receipts will never see the light of day 99.999% of the time; in order TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #31

Handing ballots off increases the opportunity for chicanery. LeftyMom May 2017 #20

Unfortunately, what you see is not what you get - I wish it were diva77 May 2017 #21

So if your assertion is true why aren't they effecting elections in CA? LeftyMom May 2017 #22

Gerrymandering definitely plays a role in the republican skewed results. Sometimes it's not diva77 May 2017 #23

Your argument is long on assertions and short on evidence. LeftyMom May 2017 #26

you are a whole lot more trusting than i am; if the machines CAN be hacked, they will be. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #28

The obvious solution is an airgap. LeftyMom May 2017 #30

yes; we need all paper ballots, all hand-counted, all the time. it's been done for centuries, TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #32

Absolutely!!...and don't tell anyone...but hand counting is just COLLATING diva77 May 2017 #37

well, the french obviously aren't as smart as americans... nt TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #27

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