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Demsrule86

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45. Ah well as I have people in my family with pre-existing...I'll take what we have and try to

Tue May 9, 2017, 08:38 AM

May 2017

improve it...as for the ACA...the problems are the result of GOP sabotage...and it certainly could work...and it is the only game in town...and don't believe for one minute you will get single payer if the ACA goes down...you won't. But thousand perhaps millions will die...this bill the GOP has dreamed up also hurts those with employer healthcare...who will be tossed into expensive pools if they have pre-existing...and more than likely lose their insurance.

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Let's solve the Health Care Cost Issue! [View all] Honeycombe8 May 2017 OP

Here are my changes/additions to your proposal Yavin4 May 2017 #1

+1 nt Honeycombe8 May 2017 #2

#1 sounds an awful lot like... karadax May 2017 #12

Everyone HAS to pay into it in order for it to get the political/economic support that it needs. Yavin4 May 2017 #13

So the GOP tells us and if you can't pay? Then what 'die quickly?' Demsrule86 May 2017 #51

Everybody has to pay something into the system in order for the system to be sustainable. Yavin4 May 2017 #55

There are some who will never be able to pay... and what if you lose your job...your Demsrule86 May 2017 #57

Great idea-Now You Just Need to Line Up 60 Votes in the Senate Stallion May 2017 #3

Get rid of healthcare advertising crazycatlady May 2017 #4

True. Advertising works, which is why they do it. Which is why the fed should do it, instead of Honeycombe8 May 2017 #5

You stole mine, specifically about prescription drugs genxlib May 2017 #10

Yes. I saw a dr on tv saying after a prescription drug runs an ad, he gets an INCREASE Honeycombe8 May 2017 #36

A 7% payroll tax Freddie May 2017 #6

What about the people who don't pay payroll taxes? Yavin4 May 2017 #14

Pretty much everyone pays payroll taxes unless they're unemployed or retired Freddie May 2017 #15

People who get government assistance don't pay payroll taxes. n/t Yavin4 May 2017 #17

Takers! Freddie May 2017 #18

But now you have a system where the "rich" pay more for other people's healthcare Yavin4 May 2017 #19

Tell that to the Germans. They pay 8% of income, and the people with no income pay nothing... Buckeye_Democrat May 2017 #33

There is a group that pays no payroll taxes. Demsrule86 May 2017 #25

Govt employees don't pay payroll taxes, do they? They can't get Social Security. nt Honeycombe8 May 2017 #37

Nor do people who get capital gains and use this as their income... quite a few which is why Demsrule86 May 2017 #52

Federalize insurance zipplewrath May 2017 #7

Hmmmm. This sounds feasible. nt Honeycombe8 May 2017 #38

Total and complete subsidization not unlike the military... Shandris May 2017 #8

This is why single payer will never pass... a whole bunch of people would never agree to that...and Demsrule86 May 2017 #24

"That is why single payer will never pass"??? kristopher May 2017 #31

I meant a big bill giving us single payer will not pass...all the BS that will be thrown Demsrule86 May 2017 #53

...I think you might have misread my post...? Shandris May 2017 #34

Who wouldn't want a system like the one you suggest...but it has to be single payer with Demsrule86 May 2017 #48

Probably easier to do than pass a new system. But the ins. cos. are still skimming off the top. nt Honeycombe8 May 2017 #39

And? Switzerland uses private insurers...the goal is to enact the best plan we can to help the Demsrule86 May 2017 #49

Not all those folks will be out of work Phoenix61 May 2017 #9

1) Ration end of life care taught_me_patience May 2017 #11

I am against that also...why would you play the GOP games...there is no such Demsrule86 May 2017 #23

I agree with this 100%!!! Preventive care is NOT practiced in this country. nt Honeycombe8 May 2017 #40

Tax the goddamned fucking rich. n/t Orsino May 2017 #16

Penalize unhealthy behaviors Lee-Lee May 2017 #20

Absolutely not...you do not introduce blame into the health care system...terrible idea. Demsrule86 May 2017 #22

So when someone rides a motorcycle drunk with no helmet Lee-Lee May 2017 #26

You care for everyone...and don't decide who deserves care and who doesn't...seriously what Demsrule86 May 2017 #27

Then you will never control costs Lee-Lee May 2017 #29

You control costs in Europe and other places by a non-profit system. Demsrule86 May 2017 #54

Umm, what I describe is done daily in Europe Lee-Lee May 2017 #58

+1 taught_me_patience May 2017 #66

I agree. It's not that it's a bad thing it's just reality Lee-Lee May 2017 #70

I tend to agree. Honeycombe8 May 2017 #59

We have tax penalties and fines for other things that harm society as a whole Lee-Lee May 2017 #60

Maybe not a tax, but a credit of some sort for an obese person losing weight? Honeycombe8 May 2017 #61

No there shouldn't be a way to force people to behave a certain way...and you advocate the death Demsrule86 May 2017 #28

Sticking your head in the sand and pretending a problem doesn't exist Lee-Lee May 2017 #35

Yes it is...we do not advocate denying care for people who live a life style based on some Demsrule86 May 2017 #50

I knew a woman who'd eat cake then stick herself w/her insulin shot in her abdomen afterwards. Honeycombe8 May 2017 #41

And your point? People aren't perfect...so your solution is to let them die by refusing them care? Demsrule86 May 2017 #46

There is a medium balance and taught_me_patience May 2017 #62

Education and well care programs...but refusing care is not an option for me. Demsrule86 May 2017 #63

Education and well care programs don't work taught_me_patience May 2017 #67

That is completely untrue...I have family in Ireland and in Canada...so you want to deny Demsrule86 May 2017 #69

My Grandfather was as thin as a rail and had diabetes...I don't have it. Demsrule86 May 2017 #64

We will be fortunate to save health care and that is the truth... Demsrule86 May 2017 #21

I don't believe the health care system will ever work as long as ins. cos. are taking Honeycombe8 May 2017 #42

Ah well as I have people in my family with pre-existing...I'll take what we have and try to Demsrule86 May 2017 #45

The Physicians for a National Health Program's answer kristopher May 2017 #30

I think we SHOULD listen to care providers...they have an insight that the rest of us don't. nt Honeycombe8 May 2017 #43

Healthcare has a few pre-existing conditions of its own which need to be treated first: MedusaX May 2017 #32

This is a tough one. I hadn't thought of this. A lot of politicians and rich people... Honeycombe8 May 2017 #44

A lot of poor and middle class people will die if the current system goes down. Demsrule86 May 2017 #47

Let's solve the Health Care Cost Issue! workinclasszero May 2017 #56

universal healthcare period jimjc May 2017 #65

I agree. Funny when Trump praised Australia's health care system as being better than ours. Honeycombe8 May 2017 #68