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JCanete

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91. We disagree on the Sanders coverage, and you should really think through whether any big business

Tue May 9, 2017, 01:32 PM

May 2017

like those who own the media, would be caught dead helping a socialist to win a primary. Yes, every time they thought Sanders was there just to mar Clinton they gave him air, every time they were worried they might help him get votes if they covered him, they preferred to film an empty Trump podium to his win. The tactic was generally ignore and pretend he isn't a factor, even when he was getting millions in small donations at the beginning...which would have been a story to them had he been a right wing candidate. They would have eaten that shit up and propelled that person straight to the top...but he was a socialist, and there is no way they were going to help him get elected.

To date, I'm not sure any of the stories that people have pulled out about him are that impressive anyway. Whether the media would have turned them into the biggest scandals on earth had he been the front-runner, is not in question, and whether the public would have bought it, is kind of a toss-up...since they bought the email scandal...so I guess I don't fully disagree with you that it didn't go all in on attacking him, but again, that's because it really did prefer to ignore him...that was more effective at shutting him down. When it did cover him, begrudgingly, it always made it clear to the public that he had basically already lost the race. It always showed numbers with super delegates who had pledged but not yet voted added in to make the numbers look insurmountable. When it was certain he couldn't win, and certain the public "understood" he couldn't win, yes, I think we both agree, Sanders was used as a device to bludgeon Clinton. I'm not entirely sure anybody thought she would lose, but they didn't want her to have very big coat-tails and they wanted her to be damaged goods so that she couldn't really use the bully pulpit, is my guess...but who knows. Its not like its a hive mind...the agendas just kind of coalesce in a way.

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TYT has lost the plot [View all] Blue_Tires May 2017 OP

K&R! stonecutter357 May 2017 #1

One would think that working for RT would be a clue. nt fleabiscuit May 2017 #2

No shit. dalton99a May 2017 #3

Some of what they put out is decent, but... DanTex May 2017 #4

What doesn't get mentioned often enough is Blue_Tires May 2017 #7

Wasn't it the guy who wanted to challenge Chris Matthews to a duel? SticksnStones May 2017 #15

Yes. nt Blue_true May 2017 #21

No it wasn't. aidbo May 2017 #52

Correct. It wasn't SticksnStones May 2017 #76

Never a fan of TYT blowhards, but holy crap did not know this tidbit. Hekate May 2017 #64

I was never fooled by those asshats. JTFrog May 2017 #5

I remember one segment about a teacher who had sex with a 14 year old student snooper2 May 2017 #8

His show on plus size models was disgusting. JTFrog May 2017 #9

La Pen was Putin's candidate and so JPR types like TYT supported her Gothmog May 2017 #6

A lot of Trump supporters were looking for confirmation through Le Pen. JTFrog May 2017 #11

The JPR idiots did their best to elect trump and there are a ton of trump supporters on that site Gothmog May 2017 #14

Yes indeed. nt JTFrog May 2017 #16

alt-left meets alt-right, horseshoe theory, radius777 May 2017 #98

I got the same sense reading stuff posted by Trump supporters. Blue_true May 2017 #22

TYT never supported LePen aidbo May 2017 #53

TYT is supporting Russia and discounting the russia investigation Gothmog May 2017 #78

You stopped watching them long ago and yet you 'know' something about their show? aidbo May 2017 #82

I got the JPR site and look at the idiot clips on that idiot site Gothmog May 2017 #83

those that catapulted the Guccifer2/ Wikileaks propaganda cannot admit they were duped... bettyellen May 2017 #97

K&R mcar May 2017 #10

I detest tYT, and don't get why every liberal doesn't obamanut2012 May 2017 #12

Yes. Thank you. They are truly contemptable. NurseJackie May 2017 #17

no they don't. What are you talking about? nt JCanete May 2017 #105

TYT, Ed Schultz and yes even Thom Hartman. Russian Puppets. Fla Dem May 2017 #13

They all like Bernie, don't they? Blanks May 2017 #54

Your point is? Hekate May 2017 #65

My point is that it was part of the hack... Blanks May 2017 #68

Yep, every last one of them is a traitor to their nation Foamfollower May 2017 #93

TYT, Thom Hartman and others fun n serious May 2017 #18

everybody who has an opinion you don't like is part of Putin's plan. That man is a fucking puppet JCanete May 2017 #20

That was rude. fun n serious May 2017 #24

When you literally say that Hartmann and TYT are playing into Putin's plan, you are suggesting that JCanete May 2017 #29

It's been a well known fact... Blanks May 2017 #74

okayyyyyy...what do you think you listen to now that isn't some form of propaganda? nt JCanete May 2017 #75

Ahh the old "it's all the same" garbage... and THAT nonsense suppresses votes every bit as much bettyellen May 2017 #80

what? I've been distrustful of media long before effing Putin. I've been mad for a long JCanete May 2017 #85

All media and everything on TV is propaganda... Blanks May 2017 #89

No, sometimes the product is the politician, or the product is distrust in liberals...and sometimes JCanete May 2017 #92

I see... Blanks May 2017 #94

I don't think of you as a sheep, nor do I think of myself as having all the answers. I did not JCanete May 2017 #95

I like them all... Blanks May 2017 #99

again though, you're making a strange assumption that JCanete May 2017 #102

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying... Blanks May 2017 #106

Your efforts to force your versions of reality is a strange endeavor. It is quite strange that R B Garr May 2017 #26

I acknowledge that we shouldn't allow Russia to meddle with our election process. I acknowledge JCanete May 2017 #28

Oh, SHOULDN'T we?! NS, SHERLOCK, WE SHOULDN'T ALLOW TREASON AND A COUP D'ETAT. WinkyDink May 2017 #41

Nice...so people cast aspersions, vauguely or specifically about the goals of people some of us JCanete May 2017 #45

It's not "baffling as fuck" that these people fell for racist sexist nationalist hatred.... bettyellen May 2017 #70

well yes, there are some that literally benefit from a Republican administration. The GOP could not JCanete May 2017 #71

They'll benefit emotionally because they can be openly abusive towards us in this climate- bettyellen May 2017 #81

If money in politics is your biggest issue, then Putin should be a huge concern R B Garr May 2017 #79

I get that Putin is a problem, and a big one. We should not stand for it. BUT, we shouldn't stand JCanete May 2017 #86

Yeah, the media is a thing. But they also gave Sanders a pass and continue to R B Garr May 2017 #90

We disagree on the Sanders coverage, and you should really think through whether any big business JCanete May 2017 #91

Laughable. He was given a total pass by the media just as Donald Trump. The fact you have to R B Garr May 2017 #103

fuck R B, its like we almost have a civil discussion and the you do this shit. I wasn't dancing JCanete May 2017 #104

Okay, fair enough. But it looks like the media is beyond fair to Sanders' since R B Garr May 2017 #109

I see money in politics as the most egregious thing yes, not because it is the thing itself, but JCanete May 2017 #110

There were at least a couple examples of Sanders either unwilling or unable to R B Garr May 2017 #111

reality is he didn't win the Democratic nomination. Reality is Clinton was more popular JCanete May 2017 #112

she and trump were using populist rhetoric. It wasn't all inclusive, it was demogoguery and hate, JCanete May 2017 #19

Having deep shadows of racism and misogyny in one's campaign is not populist. nt Blue_true May 2017 #23

It's Nationalist to the point of being racist- so that's a more accurate term- white nationalism. bettyellen May 2017 #25

That is true, and frankly, I'd rather keep the terms separate, but it seems like they've been muddy JCanete May 2017 #34

I think TYT knows better and is muddying the water. bettyellen May 2017 #36

That's tricky, because they are not bullish on Trump or on La Penn. They aren't trying to make them JCanete May 2017 #37

I think TYT is fake populist as well. Like Assange they want influence for personal gain. bettyellen May 2017 #38

if personal gain was the goal, then Cenk just needed to tow the line at MSNBC. If ego was the thing, JCanete May 2017 #39

I don't think that the ego issues preclude that personal gain would be a concern. bettyellen May 2017 #42

point was, if opportunist, MSNBC was a good gig...why not just do what it was asking of him if that JCanete May 2017 #43

That could be ego or something else. Not sure why this matters. bettyellen May 2017 #44

he did have good ratings actually...ratings that were going up. And he got fired. He was talked to JCanete May 2017 #46

He might have calculated it was the right time to strike out on his own - and profit. bettyellen May 2017 #47

cenk Whined President Obama got him Fired from msnbc.. Cha May 2017 #49

Oh BULL cenk's a LIAR.. he Whined President Obama got Cha May 2017 #48

Yeah the ex republicans who still take money and slam Dems are suspect... bettyellen May 2017 #51

cenk's a r********. Cha May 2017 #56

who is not suspect in your book? People who take money but were never ex republicans? nt JCanete May 2017 #58

People who've spent their adult years working toward Dem and progressive ideals- not flipping around bettyellen May 2017 #67

didn't Clinton used to work for Walmart? Didn't she used to be a goldwater girl? Understand, JCanete May 2017 #69

you totally proved that he's a liar. I'm a little less liberal with bandying that about without JCanete May 2017 #55

Cenk Uygur Crying Foul Blames The White House For His Short Lived Career At MSNBC Cha May 2017 #57

access is a real thing. That is messing with their bottom line if party leadership is unhappy, and JCanete May 2017 #60

Bottom line is cenk is a Whiny ass LIAR. Cha May 2017 #61

hard to tell sometimes, if you want to have a discussion or just to put a period on things. JCanete May 2017 #62

cenk-Whiny A$$ LIAR. Cha May 2017 #63

less hard to tell at other times...nt JCanete May 2017 #72

cenk is a freaking republicon grubbing whiny A$$ LIAR. Cha May 2017 #73

The other poster seems to distrust anyone who likes Bernie Sanders and was lukewarm Quixote1818 May 2017 #77

You're conflating "populist" with "demagogue" Blue_Tires May 2017 #100

I'm not confusing the two. Hitler was going to make some JCanete May 2017 #101

You're never wrong about anything, aren't you? Blue_Tires May 2017 #107

look at even these posts where I did adjust my opinion in light of what other posters said on this JCanete May 2017 #108

Alt left. nt LexVegas May 2017 #27

No, this guy is an actual conservative Nevernose May 2017 #31

What is TYT? WinkyDink May 2017 #30

The Young Turks. octoberlib May 2017 #33

And we're all supposed to KNOW this?? Good grief. WinkyDink May 2017 #40

It's their network name. Bradical79 May 2017 #66

Michael Tracy is especially odious. octoberlib May 2017 #32

I don't know Michael Tracy, but if he actually advocated for La Penn, that is pretty bad. nt JCanete May 2017 #87

Technically speaking... Else You Are Mad May 2017 #35

Many of the Populists during the Populist era in the US were horrible racists. n/t Jno_Gilmor_ May 2017 #50

Most over at TYT were totally against Le Pen. OP is extremely deceptive Quixote1818 May 2017 #59

It's Macron rusty fender May 2017 #84

Agreed. Else You Are Mad May 2017 #88

I stopped watching and listening to these clowns Thrill May 2017 #96