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In reply to the discussion: TYT has lost the plot [View all]JCanete
(5,272 posts)104. fuck R B, its like we almost have a civil discussion and the you do this shit. I wasn't dancing
around crap, I was trying to be nuanced and respect your points where I thought it was warranted.
Just address my main point...would corporate media shill for, or even be fair to a socialist in a way that might get that person elected? Would corporate media really want someone in there who is putting the cross-hairs on monopolies and big money? If you can justify why it would put energy into doing that, and not the opposite, then I would be really fucking interested to hear your logic.
And I"m not making him a victim. That's nonsense. I'm talking about the political realities of this United States, which are brokered largely by our media. Its not martyrdom I'm preaching. I'm pointing out that running on that kind of platform is an uphill slog because almost nobody with money wants that person to succeed. Its not like he didn't know that going in, and hasn't known for years that he's not exactly going to be the the horse that anybody with influence puts money on.
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The JPR idiots did their best to elect trump and there are a ton of trump supporters on that site
Gothmog
May 2017
#14
You stopped watching them long ago and yet you 'know' something about their show?
aidbo
May 2017
#82
those that catapulted the Guccifer2/ Wikileaks propaganda cannot admit they were duped...
bettyellen
May 2017
#97
everybody who has an opinion you don't like is part of Putin's plan. That man is a fucking puppet
JCanete
May 2017
#20
When you literally say that Hartmann and TYT are playing into Putin's plan, you are suggesting that
JCanete
May 2017
#29
okayyyyyy...what do you think you listen to now that isn't some form of propaganda? nt
JCanete
May 2017
#75
Ahh the old "it's all the same" garbage... and THAT nonsense suppresses votes every bit as much
bettyellen
May 2017
#80
what? I've been distrustful of media long before effing Putin. I've been mad for a long
JCanete
May 2017
#85
No, sometimes the product is the politician, or the product is distrust in liberals...and sometimes
JCanete
May 2017
#92
I don't think of you as a sheep, nor do I think of myself as having all the answers. I did not
JCanete
May 2017
#95
Your efforts to force your versions of reality is a strange endeavor. It is quite strange that
R B Garr
May 2017
#26
I acknowledge that we shouldn't allow Russia to meddle with our election process. I acknowledge
JCanete
May 2017
#28
Oh, SHOULDN'T we?! NS, SHERLOCK, WE SHOULDN'T ALLOW TREASON AND A COUP D'ETAT.
WinkyDink
May 2017
#41
Nice...so people cast aspersions, vauguely or specifically about the goals of people some of us
JCanete
May 2017
#45
It's not "baffling as fuck" that these people fell for racist sexist nationalist hatred....
bettyellen
May 2017
#70
well yes, there are some that literally benefit from a Republican administration. The GOP could not
JCanete
May 2017
#71
They'll benefit emotionally because they can be openly abusive towards us in this climate-
bettyellen
May 2017
#81
If money in politics is your biggest issue, then Putin should be a huge concern
R B Garr
May 2017
#79
I get that Putin is a problem, and a big one. We should not stand for it. BUT, we shouldn't stand
JCanete
May 2017
#86
We disagree on the Sanders coverage, and you should really think through whether any big business
JCanete
May 2017
#91
Laughable. He was given a total pass by the media just as Donald Trump. The fact you have to
R B Garr
May 2017
#103
fuck R B, its like we almost have a civil discussion and the you do this shit. I wasn't dancing
JCanete
May 2017
#104
Okay, fair enough. But it looks like the media is beyond fair to Sanders' since
R B Garr
May 2017
#109
I see money in politics as the most egregious thing yes, not because it is the thing itself, but
JCanete
May 2017
#110
There were at least a couple examples of Sanders either unwilling or unable to
R B Garr
May 2017
#111
reality is he didn't win the Democratic nomination. Reality is Clinton was more popular
JCanete
May 2017
#112
she and trump were using populist rhetoric. It wasn't all inclusive, it was demogoguery and hate,
JCanete
May 2017
#19
Having deep shadows of racism and misogyny in one's campaign is not populist. nt
Blue_true
May 2017
#23
It's Nationalist to the point of being racist- so that's a more accurate term- white nationalism.
bettyellen
May 2017
#25
That is true, and frankly, I'd rather keep the terms separate, but it seems like they've been muddy
JCanete
May 2017
#34
That's tricky, because they are not bullish on Trump or on La Penn. They aren't trying to make them
JCanete
May 2017
#37
I think TYT is fake populist as well. Like Assange they want influence for personal gain.
bettyellen
May 2017
#38
if personal gain was the goal, then Cenk just needed to tow the line at MSNBC. If ego was the thing,
JCanete
May 2017
#39
I don't think that the ego issues preclude that personal gain would be a concern.
bettyellen
May 2017
#42
point was, if opportunist, MSNBC was a good gig...why not just do what it was asking of him if that
JCanete
May 2017
#43
he did have good ratings actually...ratings that were going up. And he got fired. He was talked to
JCanete
May 2017
#46
He might have calculated it was the right time to strike out on his own - and profit.
bettyellen
May 2017
#47
who is not suspect in your book? People who take money but were never ex republicans? nt
JCanete
May 2017
#58
People who've spent their adult years working toward Dem and progressive ideals- not flipping around
bettyellen
May 2017
#67
didn't Clinton used to work for Walmart? Didn't she used to be a goldwater girl? Understand,
JCanete
May 2017
#69
you totally proved that he's a liar. I'm a little less liberal with bandying that about without
JCanete
May 2017
#55
access is a real thing. That is messing with their bottom line if party leadership is unhappy, and
JCanete
May 2017
#60
hard to tell sometimes, if you want to have a discussion or just to put a period on things.
JCanete
May 2017
#62
The other poster seems to distrust anyone who likes Bernie Sanders and was lukewarm
Quixote1818
May 2017
#77
look at even these posts where I did adjust my opinion in light of what other posters said on this
JCanete
May 2017
#108
I don't know Michael Tracy, but if he actually advocated for La Penn, that is pretty bad. nt
JCanete
May 2017
#87
Many of the Populists during the Populist era in the US were horrible racists. n/t
Jno_Gilmor_
May 2017
#50