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In reply to the discussion: Stephen Fry blasphemy probe dropped after garda fail to find 'substantial number of outraged people [View all]beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)57. Then let's use the biblical definition as explained by Theopedia:
Free will
Probably the most common definition of free will is the "ability to make choices without any prior prejudice, inclination, or disposition," and specifically that these "free will" choices are not ultimately predestined by God.
According to the Bible, however, the choices of man are not only ultimately determined by God, but morally determined by one's nature. Man is indeed a free moral agent and freely makes choices, but in his natural state he necessarily acts in accordance with his fallen nature. Man willingly makes choices that flow from the heart, and sin is also always attributed to the desires of the heart (James 1:13-15). When a person turns to Christ, he does so not because of his own "free will", but because God has supernaturally enabled and moved him to do so through regeneration. God never coerces man's will, rather God gives the ability to believe through the work of the Holy Spirit.
This is a doctrinal distinction between the theologies of Calvinism and Arminianism: In Arminianism, God saves those who believe of their own free will. In Calvinism, God saves those who willingly believe as a result of sovereign enablement by the regenerating work of the Spirit.
Rather than man's will being free, Jesus tells us that, "everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin," (John 8:34). The heart, until born again, is "deceitful above all things, and desperately sick" (Jeremiah 17: 9). God saw in man that "every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually" (Genesis 6:5). "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day." (John 6:44).
Man is most free in heaven, where he is morally unable to sin. True freedom isn't freedom to sin, but freedom from sin.
https://www.theopedia.com/free-will
Probably the most common definition of free will is the "ability to make choices without any prior prejudice, inclination, or disposition," and specifically that these "free will" choices are not ultimately predestined by God.
According to the Bible, however, the choices of man are not only ultimately determined by God, but morally determined by one's nature. Man is indeed a free moral agent and freely makes choices, but in his natural state he necessarily acts in accordance with his fallen nature. Man willingly makes choices that flow from the heart, and sin is also always attributed to the desires of the heart (James 1:13-15). When a person turns to Christ, he does so not because of his own "free will", but because God has supernaturally enabled and moved him to do so through regeneration. God never coerces man's will, rather God gives the ability to believe through the work of the Holy Spirit.
This is a doctrinal distinction between the theologies of Calvinism and Arminianism: In Arminianism, God saves those who believe of their own free will. In Calvinism, God saves those who willingly believe as a result of sovereign enablement by the regenerating work of the Spirit.
Rather than man's will being free, Jesus tells us that, "everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin," (John 8:34). The heart, until born again, is "deceitful above all things, and desperately sick" (Jeremiah 17: 9). God saw in man that "every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually" (Genesis 6:5). "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day." (John 6:44).
Man is most free in heaven, where he is morally unable to sin. True freedom isn't freedom to sin, but freedom from sin.
https://www.theopedia.com/free-will
Now free will has been explained by a credible religious source. Good for Google.
And yet you still haven't answered my questions:
Where does free will come in when children get cancer? Or when parasites make them blind? Or when they're born with AIDS or any number of other horrific diseases?
What does free will have to with any of that?
Why does this god that we're not 'competent' to judge allow innocent children to suffer when he could prevent it?
You keep claiming this is explainable so explain. Why do those children deserve punishment because of original sin?
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Stephen Fry blasphemy probe dropped after garda fail to find 'substantial number of outraged people [View all]
yortsed snacilbuper
May 2017
OP
Not according the bible which says all things were created by this God we're not supposed to judge.
beam me up scottie
May 2017
#60
If the ant read a book showing how humans cause innocent ants to suffer - yes it would be competent.
beam me up scottie
May 2017
#63
Of course an omnipotent creator intended for evil to take place. He created evil.
beam me up scottie
May 2017
#77
According to the story all humans deserve to suffer. That includes children.
beam me up scottie
May 2017
#81
I have no idea what you're talking about. What does abortion have to with this thread?
beam me up scottie
May 2017
#84
How about you mansplain to the little lady what you think of her healthcare decisions?
Act_of_Reparation
May 2017
#108
Does one need special insight to wonder why a loving god creates bone cancer and parasites?
beam me up scottie
May 2017
#9
Non theists? You mean people who don't believe in Zeus, Thor or any of the thousands of other gods?
beam me up scottie
May 2017
#12
Wait, what does science have to do with this? Why on earth would anyone conflate science and gods?
beam me up scottie
May 2017
#15
Science is a methodology, it's not some hypothetical cosmic boojum with a grudge against shellfish.
Warren DeMontague
May 2017
#20
He's all-knowing, all powerful, infalliable.. and, he needs your money, and can't stand criticism.
Warren DeMontague
May 2017
#28
It's not my position, it's part of the story. God is supposed to be omnipotent.
beam me up scottie
May 2017
#32
A creator who's omnipotent is responsible for all things it creates - including accidents.
beam me up scottie
May 2017
#69
So if you have a child, you are responsible for every action that the child takes.
guillaumeb
May 2017
#72
God is supposed to be omnipotent. He created humans who he knew would make mistakes.
beam me up scottie
May 2017
#74
It's not rhetoric - all that stuff is in the bible. I'm just citing the source.
beam me up scottie
May 2017
#79
You are right. Just like saying "The Easter Bunny is a jerk and the Tooth Fairy has bad breath"
Warren DeMontague
May 2017
#26
It would be reasonable if there was a book claiming the Easter Bunny has bad breath.
beam me up scottie
May 2017
#33
No different than those who have the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and think the Spirit is with them.
TheBlackAdder
May 2017
#48
Another reason why we are fortunate to have the 1st Amendment, here in the US.
Warren DeMontague
May 2017
#86
Remember when we had people on DU arguing that "blasphemous" cartoons should be illegal?
Warren DeMontague
May 2017
#21
Hey - I've been told he's just as bad as religious fundamentalists who kill people.
trotsky
May 2017
#54