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In reply to the discussion: Stephen Fry blasphemy probe dropped after garda fail to find 'substantial number of outraged people [View all]beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)81. According to the story all humans deserve to suffer. That includes children.
Didn't you read the book?
What is original sin?
Original sin is an Augustine Christian doctrine that says that everyone is born sinful. This means that they are born with a built-in urge to do bad things and to disobey God. It is an important doctrine within the Roman Catholic Church. The concept of Original Sin was explained in depth by St Augustine and formalised as part of Roman Catholic doctrine by the Councils of Trent in the 16th Century.
Original sin is not just this inherited spiritual disease or defect in human nature; it's also the 'condemnation' that goes with that fault.
An explanation for the evils of the world
Some Christians believe that original sin explains why there is so much wrong in a world created by a perfect God, and why people need to have their souls 'saved' by God.
A condition you're in, not something you do
Original sin is a condition, not something that people do: It's the normal spiritual and psychological condition of human beings, not their bad thoughts and actions. Even a newborn baby who hasn't done anything at all is damaged by original sin
The sin of Adam
In traditional Christian teaching, original sin is the result of Adam and Eve's disobedience to God when they ate a forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/beliefs/originalsin_1.shtml
Original sin is an Augustine Christian doctrine that says that everyone is born sinful. This means that they are born with a built-in urge to do bad things and to disobey God. It is an important doctrine within the Roman Catholic Church. The concept of Original Sin was explained in depth by St Augustine and formalised as part of Roman Catholic doctrine by the Councils of Trent in the 16th Century.
Original sin is not just this inherited spiritual disease or defect in human nature; it's also the 'condemnation' that goes with that fault.
An explanation for the evils of the world
Some Christians believe that original sin explains why there is so much wrong in a world created by a perfect God, and why people need to have their souls 'saved' by God.
A condition you're in, not something you do
Original sin is a condition, not something that people do: It's the normal spiritual and psychological condition of human beings, not their bad thoughts and actions. Even a newborn baby who hasn't done anything at all is damaged by original sin
The sin of Adam
In traditional Christian teaching, original sin is the result of Adam and Eve's disobedience to God when they ate a forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/beliefs/originalsin_1.shtml
Let's read that relevant part again:
Even a newborn baby who hasn't done anything at all is damaged by original sin.
I didn't write this stuff, I'm just going by what was already written in the holy book - which is supposed to be the word of God. What else am I supposed to base my criticisms on?
And if you are arguing as a Biblical literalist, I suggest that you argue with a Biblical literalist.
Wait, what? You're the one who brought up free will and the Creator, isn't that biblical literalism?
By the way, when you constantly criticize religion, are you trying to guilt shame Democratic Christians? Given that a majority of Democrats are Christian, why the divisive attacks? Are you attempting to attack their faith as a means of driving them from DU by suggesting motives for them?
What a ridiculous tangent. No one is attacking 'faith' or religious people. This thread is about a man being prosecuted for blasphemy. You said he was 'foolish' and not competent to judge a mythological creature and I disagreed. I always side with the blasphemer in these situations but not everyone has to agree with me.
I criticize all harmful ideologies and that includes religious conservatism and fundamentalism. Religion isn't anything special, it's no different than any other ideology.
Religious people are currently trying to restrict the rights of women and lgbt people in this country, are we supposed to keep quiet about that kind of religious oppression too because we might offend people?
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Stephen Fry blasphemy probe dropped after garda fail to find 'substantial number of outraged people [View all]
yortsed snacilbuper
May 2017
OP
Not according the bible which says all things were created by this God we're not supposed to judge.
beam me up scottie
May 2017
#60
If the ant read a book showing how humans cause innocent ants to suffer - yes it would be competent.
beam me up scottie
May 2017
#63
Of course an omnipotent creator intended for evil to take place. He created evil.
beam me up scottie
May 2017
#77
According to the story all humans deserve to suffer. That includes children.
beam me up scottie
May 2017
#81
I have no idea what you're talking about. What does abortion have to with this thread?
beam me up scottie
May 2017
#84
How about you mansplain to the little lady what you think of her healthcare decisions?
Act_of_Reparation
May 2017
#108
Does one need special insight to wonder why a loving god creates bone cancer and parasites?
beam me up scottie
May 2017
#9
Non theists? You mean people who don't believe in Zeus, Thor or any of the thousands of other gods?
beam me up scottie
May 2017
#12
Wait, what does science have to do with this? Why on earth would anyone conflate science and gods?
beam me up scottie
May 2017
#15
Science is a methodology, it's not some hypothetical cosmic boojum with a grudge against shellfish.
Warren DeMontague
May 2017
#20
He's all-knowing, all powerful, infalliable.. and, he needs your money, and can't stand criticism.
Warren DeMontague
May 2017
#28
It's not my position, it's part of the story. God is supposed to be omnipotent.
beam me up scottie
May 2017
#32
A creator who's omnipotent is responsible for all things it creates - including accidents.
beam me up scottie
May 2017
#69
So if you have a child, you are responsible for every action that the child takes.
guillaumeb
May 2017
#72
God is supposed to be omnipotent. He created humans who he knew would make mistakes.
beam me up scottie
May 2017
#74
It's not rhetoric - all that stuff is in the bible. I'm just citing the source.
beam me up scottie
May 2017
#79
You are right. Just like saying "The Easter Bunny is a jerk and the Tooth Fairy has bad breath"
Warren DeMontague
May 2017
#26
It would be reasonable if there was a book claiming the Easter Bunny has bad breath.
beam me up scottie
May 2017
#33
No different than those who have the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and think the Spirit is with them.
TheBlackAdder
May 2017
#48
Another reason why we are fortunate to have the 1st Amendment, here in the US.
Warren DeMontague
May 2017
#86
Remember when we had people on DU arguing that "blasphemous" cartoons should be illegal?
Warren DeMontague
May 2017
#21
Hey - I've been told he's just as bad as religious fundamentalists who kill people.
trotsky
May 2017
#54