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karynnj

(60,978 posts)
31. Sadly, that can not happen
Sat May 13, 2017, 02:42 PM
May 2017

Consider that even when it was determined that had ALL the Florida votes been recounted, Gore would have won -- nothing happened. Consider that even as Republicans went to jail for spamming the GOTV lines in Manchester, NH in a close race, no one removed Sununu and replaced him with Shaheen. Consider that the election in 2004 was not given to John Kerry when you could make the case that voter suppression by providing too few machines in Ohio cities leading to 4 hour lines cost Kerry more than the votes he lost to Bush by.

The fact is that even if there were a way to prove in 2004 or 2016 that the Democrat would have won a fair election, there is no recourse in the Constitution for correcting the election after electors are assigned and the results tallied in the Congress. In fact, in the Constitution, there is no call for the direct election of the President. In 2000, we learned that if a state's election results were not clear, the state's legislature really was charged with picking the electors. The Constitution, in fact, is less Democratic than we like to think it is.

What the Constitution does have is a line of succession. If Trump is impeached, assuming that Pence was not thrown out for complicity himself (or like Agneau for something else), he will become President. This article, which might best be called fantasy, has not just 2 people (like Nixon, Agneau) being taken down, but has Trump, Pence and then Ryan. This is pretty far fetched. But, let's assume that it is all true - there is a very bizarre and completely unlikely way to get Clinton or someone else. That would follow the Nixon model. Pence would resign or be impeached. Trump would nominate someone for VP who could win 60 votes. Then he would be impeached and this person would become President. So, who could be this year's Ford? I can not imagine anyone that could get 60 votes -- and note to Trump - no to Jared Kushner. Rather than Hatch, maybe we could consider Dick Lugar. Conservative, but a man of integrity and respected internationally.

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There is no constitutional way that can ever happen. Foamfollower May 2017 #1
"We The People". nt LaydeeBug May 2017 #2
Please point to a provision in the Constitution or a federal statute The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #6
Was there a provision in the Constitution Control-Z May 2017 #25
They can't directly select a president The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #27
Velveteen Ocelot is correct. And I confess I am always Hortensis May 2017 #44
Thank you. cwydro May 2017 #76
"...if that would get them what they want." Hell Hath No Fury May 2017 #89
Couldn't they do the same with regard to the Control-Z May 2017 #64
The problem there is that right now there's no relevant law or court decision to decide The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #72
Great, thanks. Plus, let's not forget that Rump was ELECTED Hortensis May 2017 #78
Article II, clause 6, in combination with Amendment 25 and a collapsing GOP when tRump toxic enough Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author DesertRat May 2017 #91
"We the people"... LOL Lib May 2017 #10
The gist of the OP SCantiGOP May 2017 #39
Bingo. nt cwydro May 2017 #77
+1000 Ms. Toad May 2017 #53
Post removed Post removed May 2017 #80
FF see I do agree with you here. Madam45for2923 May 2017 #4
What's done is done... Eyeball_Kid May 2017 #79
Not to be that guy but play along with me for a second... Docreed2003 May 2017 #12
I agree Foamfollower May 2017 #17
OHHHHHHH! AWESOME Madam45for2923 May 2017 #32
There is a second even less likely way stevenleser May 2017 #38
Message deleted by DU the Administrators lunamagica May 2017 #63
Damn! That's fucking brilliant. nt LaydeeBug May 2017 #75
Alternate: eventually Hatch becomes Pres, names Hillary as his VP then Hatch steps down Turn CO Blue May 2017 #57
Hatch. Chellee May 2017 #84
Just stop. The point of this subthread was to offer a path for Hill that is LEGAL. I did. Turn CO Blue May 2017 #85
Not likely, but not impossible lunamagica May 2017 #60
+1 uponit7771 May 2017 #88
Read Constitution for your first time: Trump resigns, Pence nominates Clinton, Pence resigns. L. Coyote May 2017 #28
Pence appoints Clinton ????????????? SCantiGOP May 2017 #40
The President (Hatch or whoever is left standing) nominates, not appoints. L. Coyote May 2017 #49
And Satan driving a Zamboni in Hell. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #73
you can rest assured that the Gorsuch recusal rumor isn't true onenote May 2017 #81
Since she won the popular vote and most certainly the EC vote Eliot Rosewater May 2017 #3
Be that as it may, it won't happen because there is no constitutional process for it. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #5
Exactly still_one May 2017 #7
No, it's 2018. athena May 2017 #8
Great idea itsrobert May 2017 #9
Nancy Pelosi is going to be the Speaker of the House. athena May 2017 #15
I don't believe she has been an effective leader itsrobert May 2017 #34
Stop propagating sexist lies and inform yourself. athena May 2017 #35
Sexist lies? itsrobert May 2017 #43
SHE did nothing of the sort sweetloukillbot May 2017 #50
Starting 40 votes in the hole is not a great place to be itsrobert May 2017 #56
Hey, now she's super-Nancy, more powerful Hortensis May 2017 #69
Simple history available to anyone who finds being Hortensis May 2017 #48
The deluded people are the ones that think she's actually going to be beaten sweetloukillbot May 2017 #66
No quarrel here. But there are also people out there who Hortensis May 2017 #70
President Pelosi sweetloukillbot May 2017 #19
Exactly. athena May 2017 #37
I would love to have Schiff for our next president. Auntie Bush May 2017 #62
I just HAVE to ask: MichMary May 2017 #92
It is that which we must demand delisen May 2017 #11
No fucking way... Baconator May 2017 #13
I agree completely. This is not about Hillary. Still In Wisconsin May 2017 #33
Another option and just as unlikely and unpopular... Thomas Hurt May 2017 #14
It does seem that way doesn't it? Ligyron May 2017 #71
It's not going to be Clinton, but who it is does worry me. vi5 May 2017 #16
I don't understand this post at all. Clinton leading an independent investigation wouldn't fly. That Guy 888 May 2017 #18
The only way for that to legally happen... Tommy_Carcetti May 2017 #20
A terrible idea that will never happen anyway. enough May 2017 #21
Seconded Cooley Hurd May 2017 #23
She has as much chance as Gore and Kerry-they were also cheated out of the Presidency. jalan48 May 2017 #22
The constitution limits 10 years in office. geek tragedy May 2017 #24
Arguably, he's not limited to 10 years unblock May 2017 #26
Yeah, but we're more likely to see "President Pelosi." GoCubsGo May 2017 #30
Sadly, that can not happen karynnj May 2017 #31
Clinton would be a coup at this point Retrograde May 2017 #36
In a sane world, yes. lark May 2017 #41
If such turmoil unfolds bucolic_frolic May 2017 #42
Was Hillary robbed ? I believe so. nocalflea May 2017 #45
If it seems impossible Wash. state Desk Jet May 2017 #46
If I may engage in some wishful thinking... JHB May 2017 #47
And just what shall she be doing? Leading a jmg257 May 2017 #51
Impossible -nt Bradical79 May 2017 #52
Uh . . . How does that work? DrDan May 2017 #54
Agree, but I sure would like to roll it back mvd May 2017 #58
What *exactly* do you think is going to happen? SMC22307 May 2017 #55
Wish there were a way. There's really not. TDale313 May 2017 #59
God can we stop with Her Royal Highness? JesterCS May 2017 #61
She was the people's choice (by MILLIONS). Royal Highness? That's says it all. lunamagica May 2017 #67
But flip side is.... JesterCS May 2017 #86
Post on Jester . And you're right, we have bigger fish to fry. nocalflea May 2017 #90
Why should the redumbliCON thieves be rewarded with retaining the WH. democratisphere May 2017 #65
Message deleted by DU the Administrators lunamagica May 2017 #68
Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. Maybe it should, but it doesn't. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #74
This situation has never been confronted before; an actual stolen election. democratisphere May 2017 #82
Is it Fitzmas yet??? beaglelover May 2017 #83
No, not unless you want to ignite -- Hell Hath No Fury May 2017 #87
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