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WellDarn

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53. I'm going to make this as clear as I can

Sun May 14, 2017, 02:31 PM

May 2017

Let's limit it to one example.

There are millions of undocumented Spanish-speaking immigrants in this country.

Every one of them has hopes and dreams as important as the hopes and dreams of he high achievers that we feature in our adds. Every one of them is every bit of deserving of the benefits this country offers as the high achievers we use as the face of our inclusiveness in our ads. That is true even if they are no better than the citizens they wish to join, citizens who have flaws, citizens who themselves are not all high achievers.

So far, we should be in agreement because that is the policy we espouse as a party . . . not that only the best Spanish-speaking immigrants are welcome, but that all are welcome.

So tell me, why are the only undocumented immigrants we see in our ads the high achievers (or the undeniable victims)?

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