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backscatter712

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109. Well obviously, when that four-year-old got bone cancer...

Reply to trotsky (Reply #40)

Mon May 15, 2017, 11:08 AM

May 2017

...he must have done something to deserve it.

I heard it in church, so it must be true!

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Stephen Fry blasphemy probe dropped after garda fail to find 'substantial number of outraged people [View all] yortsed snacilbuper May 2017 OP

Good, as I expected. The Gardai have enough on their OnDoutside May 2017 #1

So Mr. Fry has a special insight into the mind of the Creator, guillaumeb May 2017 #2

I'm sure there is a perfectly good explanation Voltaire2 May 2017 #6

There is an explanation. guillaumeb May 2017 #7

So where does free will come in PoindexterOglethorpe May 2017 #35

It just does, see? trotsky May 2017 #40

Well obviously, when that four-year-old got bone cancer... backscatter712 May 2017 #109

How precisely does cancer happen regardless of free will...? LanternWaste May 2017 #42

What? Act_of_Reparation May 2017 #44

Look again at the posts just above me. PoindexterOglethorpe May 2017 #45

You are confusing free will with quite a number of other things. guillaumeb May 2017 #46

You're the one who said free will was the explanation. beam me up scottie May 2017 #47

You also need to read about the concept of free will. guillaumeb May 2017 #50

Message deleted by DU the Administrators beam me up scottie May 2017 #52

Wikipedia is one source, but the definition is incomplete. eom guillaumeb May 2017 #56

Then let's use the biblical definition as explained by Theopedia: beam me up scottie May 2017 #57

Random natural acts are not punishment. They are by definition random acts. guillaumeb May 2017 #58

Not according the bible which says all things were created by this God we're not supposed to judge. beam me up scottie May 2017 #60

Is an ant competent to judge a human? guillaumeb May 2017 #62

If the ant read a book showing how humans cause innocent ants to suffer - yes it would be competent. beam me up scottie May 2017 #63

If humans are endowed with free will, that means that humans guillaumeb May 2017 #65

Wait, what did those children do to deserve the 'results' they got? beam me up scottie May 2017 #67

And where in my posts did you read that I said anyone deserves anything? guillaumeb May 2017 #68

Right here: beam me up scottie May 2017 #70

Your enlightenment is misnamed. guillaumeb May 2017 #71

Fry is judging the Creator from the ONLY perspective we have. beam me up scottie May 2017 #73

Both of your conclusions are faulty. guillaumeb May 2017 #75

Of course an omnipotent creator intended for evil to take place. He created evil. beam me up scottie May 2017 #77

Who ever said that children, or adults, deserve to suffer? guillaumeb May 2017 #78

According to the story all humans deserve to suffer. That includes children. beam me up scottie May 2017 #81

My "ridiculous tangent" was a reframing of an argument recently made here guillaumeb May 2017 #82

I have no idea what you're talking about. What does abortion have to with this thread? beam me up scottie May 2017 #84

Speaking of judgmental, guillaumeb May 2017 #92

How about you mansplain to the little lady what you think of her healthcare decisions? Act_of_Reparation May 2017 #108

Well said Lordquinton May 2017 #100

Awesome response. trotsky May 2017 #107

Why can't fry judge "the creator"? Lordquinton May 2017 #91

Fry is not proving anything. guillaumeb May 2017 #93

*lack of belief Lordquinton May 2017 #101

His opinion versus mine is what is being discussed. guillaumeb May 2017 #116

You haven't said anything to support it Lordquinton May 2017 #117

The main source of disrespect that I see here, at DU, is the disrespect guillaumeb May 2017 #118

That's because Lordquinton May 2017 #120

Consequences are designed too hurl May 2017 #85

Welcome to DU. guillaumeb May 2017 #94

Did you not read what they wrote? Act_of_Reparation May 2017 #104

Why did your creator make a sun that causes sunburn and cancer? trotsky May 2017 #106

Those worms that eat children's eyes from inside out.. Baconator May 2017 #114

Ah yes, our Just God demands we suffer... backscatter712 May 2017 #110

So the concept of free will includes PoindexterOglethorpe May 2017 #53

Does one need special insight to wonder why a loving god creates bone cancer and parasites? beam me up scottie May 2017 #9

Simplistic, but for some of the "true believers" on the non-theistic side, guillaumeb May 2017 #11

Non theists? You mean people who don't believe in Zeus, Thor or any of the thousands of other gods? beam me up scottie May 2017 #12

The debate has been argued here many times since I have been here. guillaumeb May 2017 #13

Wait, what does science have to do with this? Why on earth would anyone conflate science and gods? beam me up scottie May 2017 #15

Science is a methodology, it's not some hypothetical cosmic boojum with a grudge against shellfish. Warren DeMontague May 2017 #20

His argument doesn't fail....that's the point.. WoonTars May 2017 #14

You're right, it's a logical conclusion. beam me up scottie May 2017 #16

He's all-knowing, all powerful, infalliable.. and, he needs your money, and can't stand criticism. Warren DeMontague May 2017 #28

George Carlin on religion: beam me up scottie May 2017 #31

It's never failed Lordquinton May 2017 #17

Are you saying he doesn't? Or isn't? Lordquinton May 2017 #18

Fry is making an assumption that he cannot prove. guillaumeb May 2017 #22

What assumption? Isn't he simply repeating what's in the bible? beam me up scottie May 2017 #29

I understand your position. guillaumeb May 2017 #30

It's not my position, it's part of the story. God is supposed to be omnipotent. beam me up scottie May 2017 #32

Which premise? WoonTars May 2017 #37

You have stated repeatedly you believe the universe was created by your god. trotsky May 2017 #41

Epicurus said it best . . . . hatrack May 2017 #59

Is sickness evil? guillaumeb May 2017 #61

If the sickness was created yes, it's evil. beam me up scottie May 2017 #64

Accident and intentional are contradictory. guillaumeb May 2017 #66

A creator who's omnipotent is responsible for all things it creates - including accidents. beam me up scottie May 2017 #69

So if you have a child, you are responsible for every action that the child takes. guillaumeb May 2017 #72

God is supposed to be omnipotent. He created humans who he knew would make mistakes. beam me up scottie May 2017 #74

Overblown rhetoric does not a winning argument make. guillaumeb May 2017 #76

It's not rhetoric - all that stuff is in the bible. I'm just citing the source. beam me up scottie May 2017 #79

Still misrepresenting I see. guillaumeb May 2017 #80

You're the one who explained the consequences of free will. beam me up scottie May 2017 #83

Parents are not omnipotent beings... WoonTars May 2017 #88

I was unaware that parents were omnipotent... WoonTars May 2017 #87

... But you can't explain why. Baconator May 2017 #115

What there can he not prove? Lordquinton May 2017 #38

What sort of qualifications are required Warren DeMontague May 2017 #19

Fry's points are unsubstantiated nonsense. guillaumeb May 2017 #23

Based upon what evidence? Warren DeMontague May 2017 #24

If he has proof, he can present it. guillaumeb May 2017 #25

You are right. Just like saying "The Easter Bunny is a jerk and the Tooth Fairy has bad breath" Warren DeMontague May 2017 #26

The Tooth Fairy suffers from bad breath due to excessive sugar consumption. guillaumeb May 2017 #27

It would be reasonable if there was a book claiming the Easter Bunny has bad breath. beam me up scottie May 2017 #33

If you have proof please present it Lordquinton May 2017 #39

What he's got are some very good questions that priests inevitably dodge Warpy May 2017 #34

Stephen Fry is an atheist. Crunchy Frog May 2017 #43

It probably does belong there. guillaumeb May 2017 #51

No different than those who have the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and think the Spirit is with them. TheBlackAdder May 2017 #48

What creator? nt GliderGuider May 2017 #95

The one who created all of existence. guillaumeb May 2017 #96

One? I thought there were a whole bunch of them GliderGuider May 2017 #97

So are you a Hindu? guillaumeb May 2017 #98

No. GliderGuider May 2017 #99

Source? Lordquinton May 2017 #102

Mr. Fry's existence has been repeatedly proven... Orsino May 2017 #112

Hard to have insight into the mind of a fictional character... Baconator May 2017 #113

The Clip in Question Leith May 2017 #3

I am disappointed. surrealAmerican May 2017 #4

They backed down so that the law could stay. Voltaire2 May 2017 #5

Exactly. yortsed snacilbuper May 2017 #8

Precisely. This wasn't a victory for reason. beam me up scottie May 2017 #10

Another reason why we are fortunate to have the 1st Amendment, here in the US. Warren DeMontague May 2017 #86

Remember when we had people on DU arguing that "blasphemous" cartoons should be illegal? Warren DeMontague May 2017 #21

Richard Dawkins on Stephen Fry, blasphemy and the law yortsed snacilbuper May 2017 #36

Awesome response. beam me up scottie May 2017 #49

Hey - I've been told he's just as bad as religious fundamentalists who kill people. trotsky May 2017 #54

And he wears offensive t-shirts!!! beam me up scottie May 2017 #55

Oh noes!!! trotsky May 2017 #105

Saudi Arabia to execute atheist for blasphemy yortsed snacilbuper May 2017 #89

I wonder if someone will call him 'foolish' too? beam me up scottie May 2017 #90

STOP INSULTING THE MAGIC SKY PEOPLE Warren DeMontague May 2017 #119

Even the snot who complained wasn't offended Warpy May 2017 #103

Or any substantial deities. Orsino May 2017 #111