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HiPointDem

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52. yeah, right. that's why unicef and others pay *more* for vaccines, cause bill wants to help
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 01:17 AM
Jul 2012

everybody so much.

You see a picture of Gates personally putting a dose of polio vaccine into a child’s mouth, in one link, as though he had bought it with his billions. It turns out later that what he bought was the leverage to spend the money my own students raise each year for Unicef, and that he used his GAVI Alliance control to engineer a secret price gouging scheme, to overcharge Unicef and the other real charities who purchase the vaccines.

That’s a cold fact, not a “conspiracy theory”, and it’s a crime when drug companies collude to raise prices. The puzzle piece missing is, as you say, a motive for the Gates Foundation. His rationale is apparently that higher profits will incentivize big Pharma to invest in research, he explained in his Forbes interview.


http://dianeravitch.net/2012/07/05/more-puzzling-about-the-gates-foundation/


The first question:

Does GAVI strike the hardest bargain with drug companies, getting the needed vaccines at the lowest cost? Put another way, is the organization too willing to accept what the drug companies want?

The Wall Street Journal today cites a number of organizations who think GAVI has not done enough to reduce prices, is too “cozy” with drug companies and want to see pharmaceutical industry representatives removed from the governing board. Nina Schwalbe, a GAVI official, responded that the alliance has done the best it could to get the industry to reduce vaccine prices and that they need to collaborate with the drug industry...

Some would argue that the GAVI Alliance is one of the best marketing machines ever devised by industry and partners, stimulating demand and shaping pricing mechanisms…. Challenging the industry publicly or privately seems off limits for discussion, adding to the ‘smoke and mirrors’ perceived relationship that GAVI has with pharma...

http://humanosphere.kplu.org/2011/06/is-the-gates-foundations-plan-for-global-vaccinations-too-friendly-to-the-drug-industry/


USA (AP) -- UNICEF is for the first time publicizing what drugmakers charge it for vaccines, as the world's biggest buyer of lifesaving immunizations aims to spark price competition in the face of rising costs.

On Friday, UNICEF posted on its website the actual prices that it has paid individual drugmakers for 16 vaccines purchased over the last decade. It's a move that a few Western pharmaceutical companies don't support. Novartis AG and Merck & Co., which only sells one of its many children's vaccines to UNICEF, both declined to have their prices published.

UNICEF said it will continue to disclose pricing of future vaccine deals, with the hope that the transparency will push drugmakers to cut prices and thus allow the organization to vaccinate more children and save more lives.

Its price list shows significant disparity, with Western drugmakers often charging UNICEF double what companies in India and Indonesia do. Just as striking is the steady rise in prices in the last decade, with the cost of vaccines against measles, polio and tetanus roughly doubling between 2001 and 2010. Prices of a few vaccines have remained flat or declined as additional competitors entered the market.

http://www.mb.com.ph/node/320365/unicef-di

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"Since Gates believes sustainable health systems must be privately profitable," hedgehog Jul 2012 #1
His giving grew out of the PR nightmare of the anti trust case against MS in the late 90's. alfredo Jul 2012 #6
Why does he not put that much effort into his own country, USA? xtraxritical Jul 2012 #19
We might not be as easy to manipulate, or maybe we have a functioning court system. alfredo Jul 2012 #28
he's putting loads of money into the effort to destroy teachers' unions and privatize and computer- HiPointDem Jul 2012 #29
What an ass. alfredo Jul 2012 #31
I've seen interviews with the Gates and Buffet on this. Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #46
yeah, right. that's why unicef and others pay *more* for vaccines, cause bill wants to help HiPointDem Jul 2012 #52
They've spent their $ saving lives. Period. No getting around that. That's a wonderful thing. Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #53
no, they've spent *your* money. bill gates doesn't spend his money on doing good, he spends HiPointDem Jul 2012 #54
excellent handmade34 Jul 2012 #2
He Does. Mostly Into Charter Schools AndyTiedye Jul 2012 #20
Shocked. Shocked, I am. knitter4democracy Jul 2012 #3
This literally comes as no surprise. Bill Gates is an UBER-control freak, in everything and.... Raster Jul 2012 #4
Never been a fan of Gates at Microsoft or now in his effort to push the worker visa in America. progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #5
Apple does not advertise on Fox news nor support Monsanto Ichingcarpenter Jul 2012 #7
apple supports education deform & the bono scam 'project red' which is tied into the gates post- HiPointDem Jul 2012 #25
The more one digs... the scarier Gates and Co. loom. Smarmie Doofus Jul 2012 #8
Rarely does too much money NOT lead to less than honorable dabblings. so, not surprised. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2012 #9
Arundhati Roy has written at length about the way pholanthropic organizations redqueen Jul 2012 #10
I totally dislike him and his crap on his penitence for his wealth Ichingcarpenter Jul 2012 #13
Yes, he is fucking evil. redqueen Jul 2012 #14
Yep, and he's arrogant enough to think he knows how to grow crops... drokhole Jul 2012 #51
For example: Reader Rabbit Jul 2012 #17
Thanks for reminding me of "Sinfest." alfredo Jul 2012 #32
I'm constantly amazed at people's constant amazement upon discovering that this a$$hole Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #11
Please Explain erpowers Jul 2012 #16
Here's an easy start for you. Read up on Dr. DOS and Netscape. These are just two Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #21
OK, what is your version of the Dr. DOS story? I will be waiting. Logical Jul 2012 #35
"My version"? Go away microserf. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #37
LOL, in other words, you have no clue about the DOS or Dr. DOS story. Classic BS! n-t Logical Jul 2012 #38
In other words I've heard everything you have to say since they first wrote it for you in the 80's. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #42
LOL....jealous much. Yes, spending billions to stop Malaria is horrible. n-t Logical Jul 2012 #34
And Kim Jong Il had excellent taste in wine. Is there a point to your reply? n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #39
Yes, my point is Gates has done a lot of good for many people. Unlike most billionaires. Logical Jul 2012 #41
He may in fact not be the worst billionaire on earth, I can think of others off the top of my head, Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #43
It never seemed pure to anyone with any sense. Daemonaquila Jul 2012 #12
The low information citizen doesn't always look behind the curtain. alfredo Jul 2012 #30
No one is pure. I don't recall anyone saying the Gates are pure. But his foundation is saving lives. Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jul 2012 #15
Haven't you noticed the trend? Larry Elison, the M$Apple gang of 5, Bezos, Cuban, Zuckerberg, Son, Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jul 2012 #23
I think the main focus here is on M$. But they are all interchangeable. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #24
steve jobs *was* an asshole, & apple's philanthropy supports the same type of thing gates' does. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #26
Gee, what ARE the odds... Guitarzan Jul 2012 #18
hopefully people are losing the blinders about things labeled 'philanthropy'. a long time coming. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #27
The Gates Foundation seems pure? Brickbat Jul 2012 #33
No doubt Gates has saved millions of people with his Malaria efforts. Jesus, are people clueless! Logical Jul 2012 #36
This is a concerted campaign to drag the Gates Foundation through the mud, I think. Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #49
Is ANYTHING as pure as it seems? randome Jul 2012 #40
My S. O. works for the WHO. He and all the people he works with will be horrified.... DCKit Jul 2012 #44
Well, you sound like you're privy to more details than me. randome Jul 2012 #47
Fraud! Pizz Jul 2012 #45
Not a good article...poorly researched and dubious conclusions Godhumor Jul 2012 #50
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