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eilen

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267. Detroit has plenty of room.....

Fri Jul 6, 2012, 10:38 AM

Jul 2012

I think it is kind of silly. People's beliefs change over time. If the country was physically divided into RW and LW sides, there would still be evolution in policy gradually to the opposite. It is like a universal law or something. They wouldn't stay the same.

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Which state will threaten to secede first [View all] malaise Jun 2012 OP

WE should sell Texas back to Mexico anyway....nt and-justice-for-all Jun 2012 #1

Just let my nephew and his daughters get out first malaise Jun 2012 #2

Yep, and add that $$$ against the national debt. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2012 #6

Too bad we couldn't get out before our tax dollars went to bail out a bunch of yankee 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #230

Many of these critters, bankers and wall street, should have been RKP5637 Jul 2012 #248

If Wallstreet were in Houston 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #257

Yep, agree. A number of states get painted with a broad brush. I live RKP5637 Jul 2012 #258

Never happen. Mexico would want us to clear the guns out first. baldguy Jun 2012 #7

Mexico don't want them either nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #20

Oh man, what did Mexico do to you?? DearAbby Jun 2012 #35

lmao TeamPooka Jul 2012 #202

I agree with you Mosaic Jun 2012 #47

So we'd give the country back to people who stole it from other people? mythology Jun 2012 #70

We just need to clean up what we have at the ballot box... Meg_Griffin_1 Jun 2012 #83

if the Spaniards hadn't taken it would it still be an Aztec Empire demosincebirth Jul 2012 #192

Nobody's keeping you from leaving. NoPasaran Jun 2012 #100

If your serious, and I laughed..... NCTraveler Jul 2012 #151

why would you do that to Mexico? DBoon Jun 2012 #52

we would have to pay mexico a helluva lot to take it off our hands. rateyes Jun 2012 #62

I'm sure it's not a popular opinion here but losing Texas 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #64

You're right, it isn't a popular opinion on DU, unfortunately. kentauros Jul 2012 #183

And there's Dealy Plaza and the 6th Floor Museum. lonestarnot Jul 2012 #213

There's also "Houston", kentauros Jul 2012 #215

I think you got it. lonestarnot Jul 2012 #217

Well, if you mean that I got the point that kentauros Jul 2012 #219

President Kennedy was assasinated while being driven around Dealy Plaza. I had to much confidence lonestarnot Jul 2012 #221

No, I'm trying to demonstrate that as a fellow Liberal kentauros Jul 2012 #222

How did you reach the conclussion I was advocating throwing Texas out of the United States? Have lonestarnot Jul 2012 #236

Considering that you have jumped into the same "Hate the South" meme kentauros Jul 2012 #239

By a Louisianian who grew up in the Bronx 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #229

Are you saying you believe President Kennedy was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald man4allcats Jul 2012 #227

Neither. People on this thread were discussing dissolution of the U.S. and lonestarnot Jul 2012 #237

It's also apparently human nature, at least for some, man4allcats Jul 2012 #243

What about all of us good guys who live here? Will you help us relocate? Avalux Jun 2012 #71

The members that harp on this subject kentauros Jul 2012 #216

Can we keep Austin? Richard D Jun 2012 #74

Not exclusively. kentauros Jul 2012 #184

Let Texas secede and then tell Mexico we wouldn't mind if they invaded. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2012 #102

Ha! brilliant!! nt and-justice-for-all Jul 2012 #141

Can we keep Austin and Houston? LynneSin Jul 2012 #170

Thank you, LynneSin kentauros Jul 2012 #186

Your state is just fucked because of Tom DeLay and redistricting LynneSin Jul 2012 #190

Actually, there is hope. kentauros Jul 2012 #191

State bashing is epidemic on DU and quite stupid. panader0 Jul 2012 #205

I agree about it being stupid. kentauros Jul 2012 #212

I like to bash my state, stupid or not whatever, it deserves it! lonestarnot Jul 2012 #218

ABSOLUTELY! DrDan Jul 2012 #226

May I have your profile information? kentauros Jul 2012 #185

I wish mine (Mass) would! MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #3

Interesting perspective malaise Jun 2012 #5

The red states have always been in the way and creating all of the dissension in RKP5637 Jun 2012 #11

The question is why malaise Jun 2012 #38

I think so, I really think that has a lot to do with it, especially since for eons RKP5637 Jun 2012 #42

Can you be a religious zealot and believe in critical thinking malaise Jun 2012 #48

That's the net/net of it all (I think), the "my way or the highway" dogma. RKP5637 Jun 2012 #50

Which I think is more about ROYALTY than religion. Have you seen this yet? patrice Jul 2012 #154

So true, thanks for the article, quite interesting!!! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2012 #241

Thanks. I was on the verge of hunting that one up again Jackpine Radical Jul 2012 #251

Yyyeeee Hhhaaa! "... absolute _____________ relativists..." THIS!!! is the wheel upon which patrice Jul 2012 #255

Wow. I wasn't even aware of that "absolute relativist" oxymoron until you spotted it. Jackpine Radical Jul 2012 #260

I'm familiar with it from teaching highschool students. patrice Jul 2012 #261

War and Christianity demwing Jun 2012 #94

Yes the Civil War still lives malaise Jul 2012 #123

Where? Fawke Em Jul 2012 #142

Don't bother with facts. former9thward Jul 2012 #152

Touch� cordelia Jul 2012 #167

Well I live in Florida, and I see the evidence all the time demwing Jul 2012 #182

+1000 JDPriestly Jul 2012 #180

There are a number of other reasons kenfrequed Jul 2012 #153

Good point re the plantation approach to agriculture malaise Jul 2012 #173

They tried once. GeorgeGist Jul 2012 #136

Holding back wages, for sure. demosincebirth Jul 2012 #231

Effectively, we're propping them up year after year. MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #12

Everything stated is true. Dawson Leery Jun 2012 #14

There are many of us in Red States who are trying to change the status quo. unapatriciated Jun 2012 #58

Come up to New England MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #86

Lived in Maine for a short time years ago it was beautiful. unapatriciated Jul 2012 #130

I Feel for You Iggy Jul 2012 #253

"and now you have cholera" NuttyFluffers Jun 2012 #91

"Blue states pay more than we receive, red states take more than they pay." kentauros Jul 2012 #214

Yes, the division is not good, but do you at least understand the frustration? Bettie Jul 2012 #232

I understand that you may know a little bit about state-bashing, kentauros Jul 2012 #238

This message was self-deleted by its author dionysus Jun 2012 #24

well, that's one of the most foolish things i've seen you post, and that's saying something. dionysus Jun 2012 #25

Would you care to elaborate? MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #84

if any states were to theoretically leave the union, i'd prefer it not be a dionysus Jun 2012 #105

Well, thanks for the complement, but MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #109

As a Minnesotan, I hear you. It's crazy-making and every time I hear a red-state governor complain, Brickbat Jun 2012 #51

I'm in Wisconsin Worried senior Jun 2012 #56

We should create a confederation of progressive states MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #90

We'd have been better off winning the War of 1812 and then letting the South secede FarCenter Jun 2012 #60

My great X10 grandfather helped settle this country. Fawke Em Jul 2012 #143

Convict Labor During the Colonial Period FarCenter Jul 2012 #174

Oh... didn't know that the whole South was VA and MD Fawke Em Jul 2012 #211

Forced Emigration: Historic Remedy for British Criminal Activity FarCenter Jul 2012 #235

Im right there with you Marrah_G Jun 2012 #98

This is one of the most intelligent posts I have ever read on this forum. RagAss Jun 2012 #112

Thanks for evening up my score MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #124

Seems Texas always leads the herd for secession threats. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2012 #4

I think it would be South Carolina, just like before. SharonAnn Jun 2012 #18

You and I agree. Nt DevonRex Jun 2012 #26

Yep, could be. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2012 #54

It always starts in South Carolina exboyfil Jul 2012 #204

The state of sanity has already seceded. Kablooie Jun 2012 #8

Hehehe! freshwest Jun 2012 #57

Profound malaise Jul 2012 #121

Texas, Georgia, Mississippi, take your pick of any of the South quinnox Jun 2012 #9

Wow, that's pretty brutal. One might think that you are trying to stir up some rhett o rick Jun 2012 #43

nope quinnox Jun 2012 #46

All my life of many years the South has been F'ed up and still RKP5637 Jun 2012 #53

Thanks for using a broad brush, but waronxmas Jun 2012 #65

Good points malaise Jun 2012 #69

Oh no... waronxmas Jun 2012 #77

Nice response but let's throw this in the mix malaise Jul 2012 #135

Thanks malaise Jul 2012 #225

Now you have to write a speculative novel based on this premise eilen Jul 2012 #265

I agree 100% I'm sick of hearing snobby fucks Sea-Dog Jun 2012 #113

THANK YOU! Fawke Em Jul 2012 #145

Amen. Paladin Jul 2012 #162

S&L Crisis..... nt. eilen Jul 2012 #266

Remember when all those Southern bankers and stock brokers 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #68

How about all those "homeowners" in CA, AZ, NV, and FL that took out mortgages they couldn't afford FarCenter Jun 2012 #76

I can only speak for CA rufus dog Jun 2012 #87

A lot of the pushing was by CA mortgage companies FarCenter Jun 2012 #118

Funny how that kind of talk would be "blaming the victim" 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #137

But Arizona isn't in the South n/t malaise Jul 2012 #138

Arizona is very much part of the GOP "Southern Strategy" FarCenter Jul 2012 #176

goodness... it's as if some are innocent and naive enough to actually believe that LanternWaste Jul 2012 #144

Colorful? cordelia Jul 2012 #165

This is a wholly unscientific observation of mine, but kentauros Jul 2012 #188

This message was self-deleted by its author Island Blue Jun 2012 #79

As someone from AZ who got out, I hope you ponder this. rufus dog Jun 2012 #81

Lots of good people in Texas angel823 Jun 2012 #92

Hear hear. ancianita Jul 2012 #129

Thank you, fellow Houstonian! kentauros Jul 2012 #242

I used to believe exactly as you do. But then yesterday I read a very eloquent post coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #164

Louisianna and Florida... NYC_SKP Jun 2012 #10

Kansas is in that list too. Un-American governors. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2012 #13

Hey, I'm from Kansas! and to keep consistent with the rest of this thread, aka-chmeee Jul 2012 #233

Kansas always amazes me. Many of the people in KS are quite nice, but RKP5637 Jul 2012 #247

I think it is congenital, aka-chmeee Jul 2012 #252

Bobby Jindal sounds like he has AsahinaKimi Jun 2012 #29

That's why I started the thread malaise Jun 2012 #39

Washington State was part of the lawsuit, btw. Fawke Em Jul 2012 #147

If McCrory wins the Gov race in November, North Carolina will probably... WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2012 #15

Louisiana n/t revolution breeze Jun 2012 #16

My moneys on Kansas n/t Teamster Jeff Jun 2012 #17

I was thinking that, but decided that a BORDER state is more likely, e.g. all the guns flowing thru patrice Jul 2012 #157

posse comitatus. patrice Jul 2012 #158

Put me in for Arizona Kalidurga Jun 2012 #19

Southern Arizona already has a secessionist movement. OffWithTheirHeads Jun 2012 #63

This is somewhat workable rufus dog Jun 2012 #82

South Carolina, of course. Never wanted to leave England DevonRex Jun 2012 #21

This time call their bluff. MoonRiver Jun 2012 #22

If I were a betting person nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #23

Arizona would immediately be a third-world backwater and they know it XemaSab Jun 2012 #34

Yes but they would able to compete with China for low wage jobs. The Repukes rhett o rick Jun 2012 #44

I'd say one of Texas, Arizona, Louisiana or malaise Jun 2012 #45

The authoritarians are near Grand Rapids in the southwest part of the state. amandabeech Jul 2012 #140

Vermont. bluedigger Jun 2012 #27

Nope. Not a chance. cali Jun 2012 #36

My vote. 7 separatists in the legislature, and tsuki Jun 2012 #114

Courtesy of the SE Texas Tea Party: XemaSab Jun 2012 #28

clever graphic northoftheborder Jun 2012 #97

Doesn't Texas threaten to secede a couple times a year? (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2012 #30

Just get the list of states who sued the government over ACA, and pick one jmowreader Jun 2012 #31

How about NJ? mainstreetonce Jun 2012 #32

He would make a huge king malaise Jun 2012 #41

New Jersey: 'Deliverance on Snow Mobiles,' to quote coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #168

ROFL malaise Jul 2012 #172

Snowmobiles in NJ? FarCenter Jul 2012 #193

It was a long-running joke about the Paterson character's coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #195

This message was self-deleted by its author mainstreetonce Jun 2012 #33

Start with AK, then TX, then FL southernyankeebelle Jun 2012 #37

Let them secede just make make the response unequivocal for treason this time. gordianot Jun 2012 #40

yes, with the punishment delivered Texas-style, post-haste. silvershadow Jul 2012 #128

you sound like republicans johnsolaris Jun 2012 #49

The GOP horde already is happening a little in CA; Jamaal510 Jun 2012 #59

And in San Diego... Paka Jun 2012 #72

I will have to quality where he comes from in San Diego nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #75

First welcome to DU nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #66

Excellent (1st) post jaysunb Jun 2012 #99

1 + Sea-Dog Jun 2012 #115

Begging your pardon, seriously! patrice Jul 2012 #159

I agree. Good post. emmadoggy Jul 2012 #262

A: None. B: Why? n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #55

+100 n/t zappaman Jun 2012 #116

Thirteen states weren't enough............some Historic NY Jun 2012 #61

It was the Manifest Destiny of America to become a transcontinental empire FarCenter Jul 2012 #177

Secession is one of those things Republicans know they can use to rile up the base. randome Jun 2012 #67

go ahead secede. We have a lot more combat vets these days to fight another war. pasto76 Jun 2012 #73

you sound like you don't have a home of your own Sea-Dog Jun 2012 #111

Maybe my home state of Montana, but LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #78

None cordelia Jun 2012 #80

Rhode Island Canuckistanian Jun 2012 #85

Rhode Island was the first of the 13 original colonies to declare independence from British rule lunasun Jun 2012 #95

And what would this state do for currency? Pretorius Jun 2012 #88

is the dollar a tradeable currency? Sea-Dog Jun 2012 #108

Interesting - One general underlying them in a lot of responses come from Blue Staters rufus dog Jun 2012 #89

I believe you have a good point nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #96

I sincerely doubt even Conservatives are naive enough to follow a doofus like Perry into battle. randome Jun 2012 #101

Interesting response malaise Jul 2012 #122

Seeing that the Blue States have to support the Dead Wood Red States KatChatter Jul 2012 #132

Actually... kenfrequed Jul 2012 #163

Speak for yourself KatChatter Jul 2012 #224

Arizona nt arely staircase Jun 2012 #93

South Carolina, just like the last time. Odin2005 Jun 2012 #103

Naw. Our governor is too busy fighting ethics charges. GoCubsGo Jun 2012 #120

Hawaii Sea-Dog Jun 2012 #104

The question is flawed. Inkfreak Jun 2012 #106

Thank you! kentauros Jul 2012 #194

I'm surprised the House hasn't voted on it. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2012 #107

Which one doesn't need federal disaster relief? aquart Jun 2012 #110

The military budget is a huge subsidy to the South FarCenter Jun 2012 #117

California & Oregon the next time the republicans are let into power, They'll drag Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #119

I want Canada to adopt Washington and call it Baja British Columbia. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #125

Add Oregon and you've got a deal quinnox Jul 2012 #126

Why don't we just start our own modest country? Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #244

But will you stop your moose jokes, eh? :) - n/t coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #169

Texas, but we used to be a Republic. Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2012 #127

New Hampshire perhaps Marooned Jul 2012 #131

We need the other states to function Mopar151 Jul 2012 #178

Arizona. GeorgeGist Jul 2012 #133

Georgia. They didn't want to part of the union in the first place. n/t leeroysphitz Jul 2012 #134

It's best for the country if they go Ter Jul 2012 #139

I certainly hope that LanternWaste Jul 2012 #146

Hawaii taught_me_patience Jul 2012 #148

However, you might miss them kentauros Jul 2012 #245

I'm a traditionalist. Gotta be South Carolina. Buns_of_Fire Jul 2012 #149

+ 1 no_hypocrisy Jul 2012 #155

If it ever happened again, my money would be on Mississippi or West Virginia..... AverageJoe90 Jul 2012 #150

FitzWalkerStan. They can leave the rest of the state to us. postulater Jul 2012 #156

The Blue states should secede Shankapotomus Jul 2012 #160

Arizona or South Carolina, again. sinkingfeeling Jul 2012 #161

Rescue the Texas liberals and cut it loose. JNelson6563 Jul 2012 #166

What if Texas was split in half. There are alot of liberals in Texas LynneSin Jul 2012 #171

Works for me! JNelson6563 Jul 2012 #175

texas is like rest of country johnsolaris Jul 2012 #181

Well then Molly Ivins was full of it. JNelson6563 Jul 2012 #250

So You're Trying To Use Molly Ivins To Shit-Can Texas? Paladin Jul 2012 #254

No, to counter anonymous post on internet JNelson6563 Jul 2012 #263

Detroit has plenty of room..... eilen Jul 2012 #267

I say we give Michigan back to the Native Americans, first, kentauros Jul 2012 #189

Works for me, I apply for asylum. JNelson6563 Jul 2012 #249

Silly question. The answer is no one is being arrested for treason. onenote Jul 2012 #179

Actions speak louder then words Rex Jul 2012 #187

Bullshit excuse for south bashing... cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #196

Not true malaise Jul 2012 #197

It may not have been your intention, but you know as well as I do cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #198

Thank you! kentauros Jul 2012 #220

I'd like to add my thanks, too. cordelia Jul 2012 #228

The Middle East War (aka WW3) will happen first. roamer65 Jul 2012 #199

I'm sorry, but...... AverageJoe90 Jul 2012 #240

give the right wing media more time... but yeah, their agenda is AGAINST our country fascisthunter Jul 2012 #200

Keep the states. Let the teabaggers like Rick Perry, Jan Brewer, and the muntrv Jul 2012 #201

There ya go! kentauros Jul 2012 #246

Vermont, but more because of the NoGOPZone Jul 2012 #203

I'll go with Alaska. Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #206

+1 treestar Jul 2012 #234

Whichever state is first, odds are they'll inadvertently threaten to "succeed" DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2012 #207

Texas. It will always be Texas. Taverner Jul 2012 #208

If any states do secede, we need to ensure we don't repeat the mistake maxrandb Jul 2012 #209

I'd prefer to see the major cities become states in their own right Lydia Leftcoast Jul 2012 #210

Indiana Son of Gob Jul 2012 #223

They'll all threaten to secede for a week Arkana Jul 2012 #256

No state will threaten to secede get the red out Jul 2012 #259

LOL malaise Jul 2012 #264