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Ken Burch

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123. I agree with you on Bush's 2003 popularity and the role of the economy and of the running mate
Fri May 19, 2017, 12:40 AM
May 2017

(turned out we dodged a MAJOR bullet when we didn't nominate that running mate in '08...the story broke right before the convention. Christ knows how we'd have dug out of THAT one).

Looking back on that convention from almost a decade and a half later, do you still think that things like banning antiwar signs at the convention and penning off activists ten miles away in "free speech zones&quot which are the kinds of things only REPUBLICAN conventions should have, if anyone had them at all)

I grant that Kerry was a good conventional liberal, not sure how you figure he was more liberal or progressive or visionary than Dennis(who was backing single payer and a Department of Peace...don't remember Kerry having anything close to those). How progressive or visionary could he have been as president after insisting on keeping the platform as nonspecific and bland as possible? How can And how can anyone be progressive and visionary while basically support the status quo in U.S. foreign and defense policy?

Whose votes were we ever going to win in the fall by running on a "we'll slowly get out, unless we don't" position on Iraq? Is there ever any support for being halfway between war and not-war?

And why should we still have been defending the "humanitarian invasion" myth in 2004? We already knew there was no place we could send in troops into and achieve an humanitarian result. We could only achieve a mudane, conservative-notion-of-national-interest result.

None of the wars we've been in since 2003 have produced anything other greater reaction, greater repression, greater poverty, greater violence and death.

If nothing else, we now know that we our forces can never play a progressive, visionary or even mildly life-improving role in the Arab/Muslim world. The last fourteen years have proved that. Why even pretend any other wars can produce a better outcome?

Not saying this to attack you or John Kerry(who I did do what I could to support-I still lived in Southeast Alaska at that stage, and Alaska is pretty much going to go on being a dead zone for the Democratic ticket for the next few decades, no matter what) just noting the sad truths that have emerged.

We may disagree, but I wish you well.




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I always thought he was a clown. DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #1
Ditto to that. He always struck me as being too FRINGE for anyone to take seriously. NurseJackie May 2017 #76
He sold out. GaYellowDawg May 2017 #2
He crawled up Trump's ass and got stuck dalton99a May 2017 #3
Perhaps that explains the slight falling out between Trump and Rootin' Tootin' Putin. TheBlackAdder May 2017 #118
He was always a clown who gave liberals a bad name. nycbos May 2017 #4
He gets paid to read the script just like everyone else. underpants May 2017 #5
He is who I thought he was. nt LexVegas May 2017 #6
Same as it ever was oberliner May 2017 #7
Not true. This is the opposite of where he was in 2004. Ken Burch May 2017 #29
No it's not oberliner May 2017 #31
In 2004, he was right to say the party was too timid and centrist. Ken Burch May 2017 #36
So what do you think has happened to him? oberliner May 2017 #47
Defeat, frustration, bitterness at some level, perhaps. Ken Burch May 2017 #50
I didn't say anything about him running for president oberliner May 2017 #52
I'm truly not sure how he got here(my impression was that he backed HRC in the primaries in '16). Ken Burch May 2017 #90
TinyURLed link, but... moriah May 2017 #127
To make it clear, I don't condone anything he's doing now. Ken Burch May 2017 #133
NO. Kucinich illustrates the narrow gap between far left and far right. Hortensis May 2017 #99
pay check from Fox grantcart May 2017 #67
He was actually inconsequential karynnj May 2017 #61
The convention should never just be about the candidate as a person. Ken Burch May 2017 #95
I think you missed many things Kerry actually said karynnj May 2017 #112
The problem in 1968 was the brutal suppression of protest, not the protests themselves. Ken Burch May 2017 #113
He did not treat the a the antiwar people as lepers karynnj May 2017 #115
There was no good reason to ban antiwar signs at the convention. Ken Burch May 2017 #120
The country was turning against having entered the war, however when presented with what to do karynnj May 2017 #121
I agree with you on Bush's 2003 popularity and the role of the economy and of the running mate Ken Burch May 2017 #123
oberliber is right -- he was always a wingnut obamanut2012 May 2017 #54
oberliner, not oberliber. Ken Burch May 2017 #94
Poor Dennis. Couldn't win any primaries. MineralMan May 2017 #8
He wasn't wrong to run in 2004. Ken Burch May 2017 #30
Anyone can run who meets the constitutional qualifications. MineralMan May 2017 #56
He's always been a bit loony Renew Deal May 2017 #9
There is still a Dennis Kucinich Group here on DU: MineralMan May 2017 #10
Hell, even I used to like him back in '04 Blue_Tires May 2017 #26
Of course it's not active. The man isn't part of active politics anymore. Ken Burch May 2017 #37
And yet, it is still here, isn't it? MineralMan May 2017 #55
It's only here because nobody thought to close it. Ken Burch May 2017 #96
Why did you even bring Hillary into this? It's amazing how she is pulled into threads lunamagica May 2017 #59
She wasn't "pulled in" as such. The reference was to the DU discussion group, not the person. Gore1FL May 2017 #80
I brought her group into it, not her. Ken Burch May 2017 #98
I did TexasTowelie May 2017 #86
I saw that post. Back in 2016, I believe. MineralMan May 2017 #87
He is very pro-privacy and hates the patriot act and believes in deep state. Demsrule86 May 2017 #11
And he's evidently on the Kremlin payroll... Blue_Tires May 2017 #25
I am sure of it...all the disgruntled pols end up on the Russian gravy train. Demsrule86 May 2017 #125
He's returned to his roots. DonViejo May 2017 #12
Damn you and your pesky facts. nycbos May 2017 #16
That's the primary reason I've never been a supporter; I well remember DonViejo May 2017 #20
I remember when if you said anything bad about him... nycbos May 2017 #23
I've only commented on him once, here on DU, saying what I've written in our DonViejo May 2017 #24
He stopped the munipal electric utility from being privatized Ken Burch May 2017 #39
That doesn't excuse his racism or the Trump-like confrontational politics he brought to DonViejo May 2017 #43
He had moved past all that by the time he entered Congress Ken Burch May 2017 #48
If he "moved past all that," why's he on Fox or, better still, defending Trump? DonViejo May 2017 #57
Guess he stopped trying to dupe Democrats... Bradical79 May 2017 #68
He wasn't duping anybody in 2004 or 2008 Ken Burch May 2017 #105
I don't know why he's on Fox, and I don't defend that. Ken Burch May 2017 #101
I never liked him...I never trusted him... DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #27
You mean his racist roots. nikibatts May 2017 #21
He cut his teeth playing racial politics. I always thought he was a phony. DemocratSinceBirth May 2017 #35
Well, damnation Hekate May 2017 #65
He took the check blogslut May 2017 #13
he's always been a crazy looking for a cause to latch onto geek tragedy May 2017 #14
Frankly, I see no difference from when he was stabbing Democrats in the back while running for pres. Foamfollower May 2017 #15
It's called the Horseshoe Theory eissa May 2017 #17
I totally agree with this. I always said they were two sides of the same coin, lunamagica May 2017 #64
the problem with this shit is that it is non-specific. Who is far left? What criteria are you using JCanete May 2017 #92
Cleveland.com had an article in Feb 2017 about his running for Ohio gov in 2018. irisblue May 2017 #18
Like I have said for years he is part of the far left that joins the far-right snooper2 May 2017 #19
For Joiners without a real cause to rally for or win with what else can they do? nolabels May 2017 #128
He was always crazy. I never understood why Liberals liked him. Oneironaut May 2017 #22
Most people have a price... BigMin28 May 2017 #28
I'm saddened to see this. Something bad has happened to him. Ken Burch May 2017 #32
He said in Nov 2007 that Ron Paul was his choice of a running mate. pnwmom May 2017 #41
He didn't change, he has always been looney FLPanhandle May 2017 #33
Sometimes it seems C_U_L8R May 2017 #34
A tweet from Alex Jones? WellDarn May 2017 #38
There's a video of Kucinich you can watch. He's a Fox commentator now pnwmom May 2017 #42
It's not about Kucinich WellDarn May 2017 #45
I think Alex Jones is part of the point Bradical79 May 2017 #71
If you honestly belive I've broken DU policy Blue_Tires May 2017 #51
If you honestly believe you haven't WellDarn May 2017 #66
"self-discipline?" Blue_Tires May 2017 #73
Lol WellDarn May 2017 #78
I always thought he was goofy. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #40
He once saw a UFO and felt a "connection in his heart and heard directions in his mind." VOX May 2017 #44
So he saw a freaking UFO...so what? Ken Burch May 2017 #49
It means he's a nut Bradical79 May 2017 #72
A whole stadium of folks saw a UFO Duppers May 2017 #89
We're in agreement Bradical79 May 2017 #97
Thank you for the clarification. Duppers May 2017 #108
No problem Bradical79 May 2017 #114
Oh boy. Scurrilous May 2017 #62
Well, now I wonder what the directions were. crosinski May 2017 #88
Dennis has now gone off the rails, but this doesn't invalidate the good in his past. Ken Burch May 2017 #46
You put it very well - thanks mvd May 2017 #63
well said, thank you. Raster May 2017 #81
Yep WellDarn May 2017 #109
Because he was only ever a DINO -- very RW always obamanut2012 May 2017 #53
He was the most progressive candidate in the race in 2004. Ken Burch May 2017 #85
Mr Anti Choice obamanut2012 May 2017 #100
and some of us remember that he was anti-choice until about the time he decided to run niyad May 2017 #58
this -- some in this thread forget how he treated women obamanut2012 May 2017 #102
Not me REP May 2017 #116
and some of us NEVER forget!! niyad May 2017 #132
Wow. Is He Still Around? Leith May 2017 #60
Who says Kucinich is wrong? Cicada May 2017 #69
That about where I am on this too. ucrdem May 2017 #122
I try to remember him like this. NCTraveler May 2017 #70
Or BumRushDaShow May 2017 #83
+1 NCTraveler May 2017 #130
Infowhores? Alex Jones? fleabiscuit May 2017 #74
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2017 #75
lol I remember when so many here wanted him to win in 2004. hrmjustin May 2017 #77
He was the most progressive candidate that year. Ken Burch May 2017 #91
He was nuts then as he is nuts now. hrmjustin May 2017 #93
wrong, he was always an anti choice wingnut obamanut2012 May 2017 #103
He was pro-choice as a presidential candidate Ken Burch May 2017 #106
Without reproductive rights, economic and social change is not possible REP May 2017 #117
I support reproductive rights. Ken Burch May 2017 #119
Oh no, Denny, honey... back on the meds. Raster May 2017 #79
IMO Republicans are ready to get rid of Trump and move Pence in. Sunlei May 2017 #82
Probably so. Ken Burch May 2017 #107
Pence would pick someone rpannier May 2017 #131
I know it's intolerant, but I'm starting to see it as "Catholics Gone Bad." Pence is one too. hunter May 2017 #84
He was always a flake still_one May 2017 #104
Poor Dennis didn't fare too well on the "Sing along with Campaign 2008" online album DFW May 2017 #110
Wow, that's creepy. intheflow May 2017 #111
Nutzo!nt Tom67 May 2017 #124
.... Historic NY May 2017 #126
absolutely nothing krawhitham May 2017 #129
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