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Orsino

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110. What independent run?

Fri May 19, 2017, 10:40 AM

May 2017

Lieberman and Sanders were indeed edge cases, being barely/sorta-still Democrats. Lieberman at least had long-standing party membership, and Sanders had caucused Dem, but these candidates tested the rather vague promise of neutrality and the expected promotion of Democrats. I'm not suprised that there were a lot of complaints about both candidacies. Clinton, in particular, had been a shoo-in twice, and any primary challenge was going to trigger vocal opposition. We want to win, after all.

The lawsuit that will examine the matter is not a criminal one, and it seems unlikely that anything will come of it.

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Biden: "I Never Thought Hillary Was The Correct Candidate" [View all] Bigredhunk May 2017 OP

I need to see a vid of this ... not just a quote to believe it. uponit7771 May 2017 #1

REMEMBER: The old divide and conquer gambit? NotMyFuhrer May 2017 #61

Right?? wildeyed May 2017 #144

Reported by an ex-Gawker writer and confirmed by a Wall Street blog. wildeyed May 2017 #138

But he wasn't prepared to run at the time True Dough May 2017 #2

HIS SON HAD JUST FUCKING DIED LeftyMom May 2017 #12

Show some decorum True Dough May 2017 #14

That is getting to be a little bit tiresome to. Yes, Joe Biden lost his son, and that is tragic, still_one May 2017 #31

Is there anyone we won't throw under the bus? Anyone at all? AtheistCrusader May 2017 #164

Excuse me. Who is throwing who under the bus? Every chance he gets he brings still_one May 2017 #165

I refer you back to the word 'instrospection'. AtheistCrusader May 2017 #171

Agreed. cwydro May 2017 #72

I love Joe but some things are better left unsaid BannonsLiver May 2017 #3

+1! TheDebbieDee May 2017 #42

Especially stupid ones. RUSSIA. COMEY. FAKE NEWS, Hortensis May 2017 #60

Particularly when we don't know for sure he said it. wildeyed May 2017 #139

Shut up, Joe dalton99a May 2017 #4

Yes Joe... you're in violation of Rule #1... even if true. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2017 #5

It's not true. He'd have had the memory of his Anita Hill fiasco trailing him pnwmom May 2017 #30

Joe would make an awesome president... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2017 #187

Like he did in 2004 joeybee12 May 2017 #188

When Biden ran in the Dem primary he got about 3%. mr_liberal May 2017 #6

He did give the best line of the debates, though charlyvi May 2017 #8

And the worst performance at a hearing. pnwmom May 2017 #44

Yep, no way would he be my choice in a primary. I'm guessing if he ran O'Malley wouldn't have had seaglass May 2017 #69

Exactly. LisaM May 2017 #162

correct for who ? white men who feel they are being oppressed at seeing non white men in positions JI7 May 2017 #7

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The results indicate he is correct flotsam May 2017 #10

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I really don't want to reply to this, but... That Guy 888 May 2017 #19

This is ridiculous. Hillary got 55 percent of the vote. Bernie got 43 percent. StevieM May 2017 #35

It's news stories about lawsuits. I didn't write them, I didn't comment on them. That Guy 888 May 2017 #39

There were far more debates in 2008 than 2016 karynnj May 2017 #128

They added more debates, and they were one-on-one debates. StevieM May 2017 #131

The state parties run the caucuses...virtually every state party in a caucus state Ken Burch May 2017 #161

I don't disagree that the Sanders phenomenon was real and legitimate. StevieM May 2017 #163

If I had my way, we'd get rid of ALL the caucuses. Ken Burch May 2017 #169

For whatever the reason Caucuses get much lower turnout than primaries. StevieM May 2017 #172

In 2008, HRC became, whether she wanted to be or not, the "stop Obama" candidate. Ken Burch May 2017 #175

My point is that Hillary has as much right to complain about the caucuses, and their effects, as StevieM May 2017 #178

Nothing I'm saying here is about delegitimizing Hillary's nomination. Ken Burch May 2017 #183

I don't blame Bernie for her defeat, I blame Comey. I actually try not to emphasize StevieM May 2017 #184

I agree with all that you said there. Ken Burch May 2017 #189

Your post is pure BULL Cha May 2017 #47

The DNC also assisted him. How? By insisting on its right to hold low-participation, pnwmom May 2017 #55

I believe each STATE's Democrats determine how their election is done -- not the DNC karynnj May 2017 #96

The DNC allows the states to do this. It doesn't have to. pnwmom May 2017 #99

You wrote she got none, I corrected karynnj May 2017 #127

When your candidate joins a party late, going up against one of its supremely-qualified icons... Orsino May 2017 #93

So "the Party" would have been happy if Sanders had siphoned off votes with an independent run? That Guy 888 May 2017 #101

What independent run? Orsino May 2017 #110

If Senator Sanders had not run as an Democratic candidate in the Democratic Primary... That Guy 888 May 2017 #137

Yep. We want to win our* way. Orsino May 2017 #147

Looking back now, with 20/20 hindsight? I wish he would have run 3rd party. kcr May 2017 #136

Wow. Where do you think Sanders votes would have come from, Republicans? That Guy 888 May 2017 #152

If you read the Repug plan to run against Bernie, bdjhawk May 2017 #54

Mahalo for your post, bdjhawk.. So true. Cha May 2017 #57

I agree. It's nutty for these two to think that Putin would have sat back and let either pnwmom May 2017 #71

We can speculate about what would have happened. Voltaire2 May 2017 #75

We know with absolute certainty that it took the FBI/Comey, the real witch hunts (Benghazi, email), JTFrog May 2017 #94

Well there were certainly many factors in her defeat. Voltaire2 May 2017 #116

There are many factors in every election. The issue is that she had the race won--decisively--until StevieM May 2017 #174

Then NO one was the right candidate. You can't have it both ways. kcr May 2017 #104

No we don't know that with certainty. Voltaire2 May 2017 #111

It's also entirely possible that of everyone who ran in 2016, Hillary was our best shot kcr May 2017 #123

Sure. That's part of the difference between Voltaire2 May 2017 #132

I thought we were talking about 2016 and who the right candidate was. kcr May 2017 #135

She is also the only candidate who proved that she could be Trump, and was about to beat him, StevieM May 2017 #176

I would like to read the GOP plan to run against Bernie... Trial_By_Fire May 2017 #112

Where is that plan? I'd love to read it. WoonTars May 2017 #153

Bernie would have lost to Trump. Tom67 May 2017 #15

+1 n/t BannonsLiver May 2017 #18

OK,-1 n/t flotsam May 2017 #23

+1 means I agree with you, not sure if that was clear. BannonsLiver May 2017 #25

That was lost in translation flotsam May 2017 #26

Bernie sure showed how he could win. Most everything he endorsed in 2016 lost. As for Biden, his still_one May 2017 #24

You know... compare HRC's "unfavorables" ... JHan May 2017 #37

yes JHan, and I am well aware of Biden's baggage still_one May 2017 #41

You think it occurs to folks making these arguments? JHan May 2017 #43

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one May 2017 #50

She also had much higher favorables than Biden back when she was S.O.S. StevieM May 2017 #177

Yep ++++ JHan May 2017 #179

He said she was never a great candidate and would have made a really good President BeyondGeography May 2017 #84

hmmm.. Tom67 May 2017 #13

Well President Obama did and I did too. You're Cha May 2017 #16

WRONGTHINK. BADSPEAK. NOT PERMITTED. DOUBLEPLUSUNGOOD! Warren DeMontague May 2017 #17

Nolan is a Hillary hating asshole. He writes for gawker. Regardless, the headline is a distortion still_one May 2017 #20

Let's instead ask-who is it that republicans know better than to run flotsam May 2017 #21

Gosh, when the only evidence you can present lapucelle May 2017 #67

The Journal of Economics and Finance is a "right wing fever dream"? former9thward May 2017 #88

Of course the journal exists; lapucelle May 2017 #117

If this is what Biden thinks and said ... LenaBaby61 May 2017 #22

Exactly Lena. Kick and Rec!!!!!!!!!! still_one May 2017 #32

+1,000,000 pnwmom May 2017 #46

K&R! lunamagica May 2017 #53

+ infinity Meowmee May 2017 #56

+1 octoberlib May 2017 #58

+1 lostnfound May 2017 #87

+1 uponit7771 May 2017 #97

We do not know what he said, for sure. wildeyed May 2017 #141

Yeah, he has a giant ego, like most politicians. And he's always been a big talker. pnwmom May 2017 #27

"Yeah, he has a giant ego, like most politicians. And he's always been a big talker." LenaBaby61 May 2017 #49

They can all debate it from the sidelines when we run some new people in 2020 Warren DeMontague May 2017 #28

The focus should be 2018, and the republican agenda. Everything else is self-defeating still_one May 2017 #34

Sure. And we ought to drag our recalcitrant backwards-lookers into the 21st century. Finally. Warren DeMontague May 2017 #45

I deal with 2020, in 2019 still_one May 2017 #51

I know. Warren DeMontague May 2017 #52

whether that was his opinion or not, it might have made sense saying it then, JCanete May 2017 #29

Well, this is how he would have distinguished himself: pnwmom May 2017 #33

I remeber him sucking pretty bad every time he was talking to the JCanete May 2017 #36

There are a lot of negatives with Biden, and that he keeps bringing this "if only" garbage up only still_one May 2017 #40

Clarance Thomas is a white male? redgreenandblue May 2017 #73

Every single Senator on the Senate panel -- the panel who was interrogating Anita -- pnwmom May 2017 #74

I think the point is Volstagg May 2017 #122

What a sad man 4now May 2017 #38

The voters kept Biden out of the race. If his early poll numbers showed him anywhere close to her StevieM May 2017 #48

I don't think Biden would have won octoberlib May 2017 #59

Joe must have had Tee Martunies or he forgot to pull the Talon tab on his mouth. democratisphere May 2017 #62

I guess this opens the door for me to say... Mike Nelson May 2017 #63

Showboater? Sometimes I think..n/t monmouth4 May 2017 #64

During the Anita Hill... Mike Nelson May 2017 #130

Well Duh quaker bill May 2017 #65

Gender dynamics Nonhlanhla May 2017 #66

I remember that he wasn't the most enthusiastic HRC supporter... aikoaiko May 2017 #68

Other than both being progressives, HRC and Biden don't have a lot in common. pnwmom May 2017 #70

she whupped his ass, last time he ran. She would have done it again. La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #98

You have to run if you want to be the candidate...I love you Joe...but your family needed you. Demsrule86 May 2017 #76

Does Joe get a hide? BeyondGeography May 2017 #77

While wrong for saying it he is correct. Else You Are Mad May 2017 #78

I respectfully disagree on a couple of your points. StevieM May 2017 #146

Seriously Joe Biden, you have a heart of gold but your mind is getting rusty Le Gaucher May 2017 #79

The same thing would have happened to Joe. MoonRiver May 2017 #80

Democrats lose when Democrats live in the past. Give it up, Joe. Vinca May 2017 #81

Lordy lordy Joe. No need for this kind of talk at all from you. whow. riversedge May 2017 #82

Why did you single out that one quote and ignore the very next quote????? George II May 2017 #83

It's weird to see so many take this so personally BannonsLiver May 2017 #133

It's not "personal", many just don't like misrepresentations. The full quote/interview... George II May 2017 #158

it's not weird. Warren DeMontague May 2017 #182

Sometimes honesty is not the best policy Seasider May 2017 #85

Except the reverse happened in 2016 BeyondGeography May 2017 #86

You're whitewashing the "insurgent"..and what he stood for and what it says about America.. JHan May 2017 #105

Whoosh! BeyondGeography May 2017 #106

Yeah I got your point, JHan May 2017 #107

Well stated... check077 May 2017 #134

Biden is speculating Lurks Often May 2017 #89

another old man hillary Clinton has already beaten in a primary La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #90

LOL. JHan May 2017 #103

65 million of us disagree, Joe. Orsino May 2017 #91

Well, that's helpful, Joe... MineralMan May 2017 #92

Mmm, mmh, mmh! NurseJackie May 2017 #95

I enthusiastically supported HRC, but... Expecting Rain May 2017 #100

When he's right, he's right. hopeforchange2008 May 2017 #102

Umm, Joe, that's not helpful at this point. herding cats May 2017 #108

It should be pretty obvious the selection of Clinton to be our Presidential candidate was decided jalan48 May 2017 #109

baloney...it was decided by primary voters. Joe had a son who died. Demsrule86 May 2017 #113

Then why did Biden just make this statement? jalan48 May 2017 #118

He shouldn't have...I love Joe but that was foolish. He wanted to run I think and has regrets... Demsrule86 May 2017 #166

except for where she got 4 million more votes than the person opposing her La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #115

And she lost the election. That's Biden's point. jalan48 May 2017 #119

She did lose the election, but we don't know how Biden would have done with La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #120

I think Biden would have won the Presidency. jalan48 May 2017 #121

Let's not forget that the GOP would have probably found a way to place Biden, Sanders, StevieM May 2017 #142

everything seems obvious in hindsight nt geek tragedy May 2017 #114

it's very unclear that Joe could have beaten Hillary in the primary, (but) andym May 2017 #124

Well, tRump is the president... Trial_By_Fire May 2017 #125

With all due respect, Mr Vice President... politicat May 2017 #126

Probably not helpful to say this now mvd May 2017 #129

Joe, we need to talk. nolabear May 2017 #140

Includes just a few of the Repug plays against Bernie bdjhawk May 2017 #143

Hopefully this is just Biden saying stupid s**t HeartachesNhangovers May 2017 #145

Joe "Foot-In-Mouth" Biden made a gaffe that is being twisted by HuffPo for clicks. wildeyed May 2017 #148

If Hillary wasn't correct, he sure as hell wasn't either. yurbud May 2017 #149

Well, of course he didn't, because he thought HE was the correct candidate. Iggo May 2017 #150

The big deal was that he said it when he didn't need to. HeartachesNhangovers May 2017 #151

Confirming the obvious is not a big deal. Iggo May 2017 #157

He's apparently supposed to spend the rest of his life in a state of self-abnegation BeyondGeography May 2017 #155

This message was self-deleted by its author ymetca May 2017 #154

My take on it: If Biden ran we could have ended up with Sanders in the GE Exilednight May 2017 #156

"People who voted for Sanders were never going to vote for a mainstream candidate..." Iggo May 2017 #159

What a well thought out reply. Oxford debate club would proud to have you. Exilednight May 2017 #167

I thought "Straight-up bullshit" was a little much. Iggo May 2017 #168

Profanity: the ignorant man's wit. Exilednight May 2017 #186

So...is Biden "trashing Democratic public figures" here? Ken Burch May 2017 #160

This is funny because... SaschaHM May 2017 #170

Yep. This times 100000000000 JHan May 2017 #191

The "correct candidate" wouldn't say this type of crap, especially at a time like this... ecstatic May 2017 #173

Agreed. frogmarch May 2017 #180

Apparently, from this thread, criticizing Biden is allowed Warren DeMontague May 2017 #181

Well, the majority of primary voters disagreed with you, Joe. GoCubsGo May 2017 #185

I would say STFU JOE Skittles May 2017 #190