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That Guy 888

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137. If Senator Sanders had not run as an Democratic candidate in the Democratic Primary...

Fri May 19, 2017, 12:02 PM

May 2017

and instead ran as a Green, he would have actually siphoned off votes from Hillary Clinton. As it was, he ended up campaigning for her.

"We want to win, after all."

That's debatable, it seems that our Party wants to win in a predefined centrist way. Just an observation not a third-way attack. Maybe they want the Reagan-Democrats back, maybe they're worried that the gov't will suffer with two parties lead by ideological extremes (although they seem to leave the definition of what extreme is to Republicans)

"The lawsuit that will examine the matter is not a criminal one, and it seems unlikely that anything will come of it."

Yes, civil lawsuits aren't criminal prosecutions. Like the lawsuit against Trump University should give you pause before signing up to fly-by night higher education, the DNC lawsuit might harm participation in Democratic primaries. It gives the appearance that the Party leadership is so out of touch with it's members, that they don't trust them to make good decisions.

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Biden: "I Never Thought Hillary Was The Correct Candidate" [View all] Bigredhunk May 2017 OP

I need to see a vid of this ... not just a quote to believe it. uponit7771 May 2017 #1

REMEMBER: The old divide and conquer gambit? NotMyFuhrer May 2017 #61

Right?? wildeyed May 2017 #144

Reported by an ex-Gawker writer and confirmed by a Wall Street blog. wildeyed May 2017 #138

But he wasn't prepared to run at the time True Dough May 2017 #2

HIS SON HAD JUST FUCKING DIED LeftyMom May 2017 #12

Show some decorum True Dough May 2017 #14

That is getting to be a little bit tiresome to. Yes, Joe Biden lost his son, and that is tragic, still_one May 2017 #31

Is there anyone we won't throw under the bus? Anyone at all? AtheistCrusader May 2017 #164

Excuse me. Who is throwing who under the bus? Every chance he gets he brings still_one May 2017 #165

I refer you back to the word 'instrospection'. AtheistCrusader May 2017 #171

Agreed. cwydro May 2017 #72

I love Joe but some things are better left unsaid BannonsLiver May 2017 #3

+1! TheDebbieDee May 2017 #42

Especially stupid ones. RUSSIA. COMEY. FAKE NEWS, Hortensis May 2017 #60

Particularly when we don't know for sure he said it. wildeyed May 2017 #139

Shut up, Joe dalton99a May 2017 #4

Yes Joe... you're in violation of Rule #1... even if true. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2017 #5

It's not true. He'd have had the memory of his Anita Hill fiasco trailing him pnwmom May 2017 #30

Joe would make an awesome president... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2017 #187

Like he did in 2004 joeybee12 May 2017 #188

When Biden ran in the Dem primary he got about 3%. mr_liberal May 2017 #6

He did give the best line of the debates, though charlyvi May 2017 #8

And the worst performance at a hearing. pnwmom May 2017 #44

Yep, no way would he be my choice in a primary. I'm guessing if he ran O'Malley wouldn't have had seaglass May 2017 #69

Exactly. LisaM May 2017 #162

correct for who ? white men who feel they are being oppressed at seeing non white men in positions JI7 May 2017 #7

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The results indicate he is correct flotsam May 2017 #10

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I really don't want to reply to this, but... That Guy 888 May 2017 #19

This is ridiculous. Hillary got 55 percent of the vote. Bernie got 43 percent. StevieM May 2017 #35

It's news stories about lawsuits. I didn't write them, I didn't comment on them. That Guy 888 May 2017 #39

There were far more debates in 2008 than 2016 karynnj May 2017 #128

They added more debates, and they were one-on-one debates. StevieM May 2017 #131

The state parties run the caucuses...virtually every state party in a caucus state Ken Burch May 2017 #161

I don't disagree that the Sanders phenomenon was real and legitimate. StevieM May 2017 #163

If I had my way, we'd get rid of ALL the caucuses. Ken Burch May 2017 #169

For whatever the reason Caucuses get much lower turnout than primaries. StevieM May 2017 #172

In 2008, HRC became, whether she wanted to be or not, the "stop Obama" candidate. Ken Burch May 2017 #175

My point is that Hillary has as much right to complain about the caucuses, and their effects, as StevieM May 2017 #178

Nothing I'm saying here is about delegitimizing Hillary's nomination. Ken Burch May 2017 #183

I don't blame Bernie for her defeat, I blame Comey. I actually try not to emphasize StevieM May 2017 #184

I agree with all that you said there. Ken Burch May 2017 #189

Your post is pure BULL Cha May 2017 #47

The DNC also assisted him. How? By insisting on its right to hold low-participation, pnwmom May 2017 #55

I believe each STATE's Democrats determine how their election is done -- not the DNC karynnj May 2017 #96

The DNC allows the states to do this. It doesn't have to. pnwmom May 2017 #99

You wrote she got none, I corrected karynnj May 2017 #127

When your candidate joins a party late, going up against one of its supremely-qualified icons... Orsino May 2017 #93

So "the Party" would have been happy if Sanders had siphoned off votes with an independent run? That Guy 888 May 2017 #101

What independent run? Orsino May 2017 #110

If Senator Sanders had not run as an Democratic candidate in the Democratic Primary... That Guy 888 May 2017 #137

Yep. We want to win our* way. Orsino May 2017 #147

Looking back now, with 20/20 hindsight? I wish he would have run 3rd party. kcr May 2017 #136

Wow. Where do you think Sanders votes would have come from, Republicans? That Guy 888 May 2017 #152

If you read the Repug plan to run against Bernie, bdjhawk May 2017 #54

Mahalo for your post, bdjhawk.. So true. Cha May 2017 #57

I agree. It's nutty for these two to think that Putin would have sat back and let either pnwmom May 2017 #71

We can speculate about what would have happened. Voltaire2 May 2017 #75

We know with absolute certainty that it took the FBI/Comey, the real witch hunts (Benghazi, email), JTFrog May 2017 #94

Well there were certainly many factors in her defeat. Voltaire2 May 2017 #116

There are many factors in every election. The issue is that she had the race won--decisively--until StevieM May 2017 #174

Then NO one was the right candidate. You can't have it both ways. kcr May 2017 #104

No we don't know that with certainty. Voltaire2 May 2017 #111

It's also entirely possible that of everyone who ran in 2016, Hillary was our best shot kcr May 2017 #123

Sure. That's part of the difference between Voltaire2 May 2017 #132

I thought we were talking about 2016 and who the right candidate was. kcr May 2017 #135

She is also the only candidate who proved that she could be Trump, and was about to beat him, StevieM May 2017 #176

I would like to read the GOP plan to run against Bernie... Trial_By_Fire May 2017 #112

Where is that plan? I'd love to read it. WoonTars May 2017 #153

Bernie would have lost to Trump. Tom67 May 2017 #15

+1 n/t BannonsLiver May 2017 #18

OK,-1 n/t flotsam May 2017 #23

+1 means I agree with you, not sure if that was clear. BannonsLiver May 2017 #25

That was lost in translation flotsam May 2017 #26

Bernie sure showed how he could win. Most everything he endorsed in 2016 lost. As for Biden, his still_one May 2017 #24

You know... compare HRC's "unfavorables" ... JHan May 2017 #37

yes JHan, and I am well aware of Biden's baggage still_one May 2017 #41

You think it occurs to folks making these arguments? JHan May 2017 #43

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one May 2017 #50

She also had much higher favorables than Biden back when she was S.O.S. StevieM May 2017 #177

Yep ++++ JHan May 2017 #179

He said she was never a great candidate and would have made a really good President BeyondGeography May 2017 #84

hmmm.. Tom67 May 2017 #13

Well President Obama did and I did too. You're Cha May 2017 #16

WRONGTHINK. BADSPEAK. NOT PERMITTED. DOUBLEPLUSUNGOOD! Warren DeMontague May 2017 #17

Nolan is a Hillary hating asshole. He writes for gawker. Regardless, the headline is a distortion still_one May 2017 #20

Let's instead ask-who is it that republicans know better than to run flotsam May 2017 #21

Gosh, when the only evidence you can present lapucelle May 2017 #67

The Journal of Economics and Finance is a "right wing fever dream"? former9thward May 2017 #88

Of course the journal exists; lapucelle May 2017 #117

If this is what Biden thinks and said ... LenaBaby61 May 2017 #22

Exactly Lena. Kick and Rec!!!!!!!!!! still_one May 2017 #32

+1,000,000 pnwmom May 2017 #46

K&R! lunamagica May 2017 #53

+ infinity Meowmee May 2017 #56

+1 octoberlib May 2017 #58

+1 lostnfound May 2017 #87

+1 uponit7771 May 2017 #97

We do not know what he said, for sure. wildeyed May 2017 #141

Yeah, he has a giant ego, like most politicians. And he's always been a big talker. pnwmom May 2017 #27

"Yeah, he has a giant ego, like most politicians. And he's always been a big talker." LenaBaby61 May 2017 #49

They can all debate it from the sidelines when we run some new people in 2020 Warren DeMontague May 2017 #28

The focus should be 2018, and the republican agenda. Everything else is self-defeating still_one May 2017 #34

Sure. And we ought to drag our recalcitrant backwards-lookers into the 21st century. Finally. Warren DeMontague May 2017 #45

I deal with 2020, in 2019 still_one May 2017 #51

I know. Warren DeMontague May 2017 #52

whether that was his opinion or not, it might have made sense saying it then, JCanete May 2017 #29

Well, this is how he would have distinguished himself: pnwmom May 2017 #33

I remeber him sucking pretty bad every time he was talking to the JCanete May 2017 #36

There are a lot of negatives with Biden, and that he keeps bringing this "if only" garbage up only still_one May 2017 #40

Clarance Thomas is a white male? redgreenandblue May 2017 #73

Every single Senator on the Senate panel -- the panel who was interrogating Anita -- pnwmom May 2017 #74

I think the point is Volstagg May 2017 #122

What a sad man 4now May 2017 #38

The voters kept Biden out of the race. If his early poll numbers showed him anywhere close to her StevieM May 2017 #48

I don't think Biden would have won octoberlib May 2017 #59

Joe must have had Tee Martunies or he forgot to pull the Talon tab on his mouth. democratisphere May 2017 #62

I guess this opens the door for me to say... Mike Nelson May 2017 #63

Showboater? Sometimes I think..n/t monmouth4 May 2017 #64

During the Anita Hill... Mike Nelson May 2017 #130

Well Duh quaker bill May 2017 #65

Gender dynamics Nonhlanhla May 2017 #66

I remember that he wasn't the most enthusiastic HRC supporter... aikoaiko May 2017 #68

Other than both being progressives, HRC and Biden don't have a lot in common. pnwmom May 2017 #70

she whupped his ass, last time he ran. She would have done it again. La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #98

You have to run if you want to be the candidate...I love you Joe...but your family needed you. Demsrule86 May 2017 #76

Does Joe get a hide? BeyondGeography May 2017 #77

While wrong for saying it he is correct. Else You Are Mad May 2017 #78

I respectfully disagree on a couple of your points. StevieM May 2017 #146

Seriously Joe Biden, you have a heart of gold but your mind is getting rusty Le Gaucher May 2017 #79

The same thing would have happened to Joe. MoonRiver May 2017 #80

Democrats lose when Democrats live in the past. Give it up, Joe. Vinca May 2017 #81

Lordy lordy Joe. No need for this kind of talk at all from you. whow. riversedge May 2017 #82

Why did you single out that one quote and ignore the very next quote????? George II May 2017 #83

It's weird to see so many take this so personally BannonsLiver May 2017 #133

It's not "personal", many just don't like misrepresentations. The full quote/interview... George II May 2017 #158

it's not weird. Warren DeMontague May 2017 #182

Sometimes honesty is not the best policy Seasider May 2017 #85

Except the reverse happened in 2016 BeyondGeography May 2017 #86

You're whitewashing the "insurgent"..and what he stood for and what it says about America.. JHan May 2017 #105

Whoosh! BeyondGeography May 2017 #106

Yeah I got your point, JHan May 2017 #107

Well stated... check077 May 2017 #134

Biden is speculating Lurks Often May 2017 #89

another old man hillary Clinton has already beaten in a primary La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #90

LOL. JHan May 2017 #103

65 million of us disagree, Joe. Orsino May 2017 #91

Well, that's helpful, Joe... MineralMan May 2017 #92

Mmm, mmh, mmh! NurseJackie May 2017 #95

I enthusiastically supported HRC, but... Expecting Rain May 2017 #100

When he's right, he's right. hopeforchange2008 May 2017 #102

Umm, Joe, that's not helpful at this point. herding cats May 2017 #108

It should be pretty obvious the selection of Clinton to be our Presidential candidate was decided jalan48 May 2017 #109

baloney...it was decided by primary voters. Joe had a son who died. Demsrule86 May 2017 #113

Then why did Biden just make this statement? jalan48 May 2017 #118

He shouldn't have...I love Joe but that was foolish. He wanted to run I think and has regrets... Demsrule86 May 2017 #166

except for where she got 4 million more votes than the person opposing her La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #115

And she lost the election. That's Biden's point. jalan48 May 2017 #119

She did lose the election, but we don't know how Biden would have done with La Lioness Priyanka May 2017 #120

I think Biden would have won the Presidency. jalan48 May 2017 #121

Let's not forget that the GOP would have probably found a way to place Biden, Sanders, StevieM May 2017 #142

everything seems obvious in hindsight nt geek tragedy May 2017 #114

it's very unclear that Joe could have beaten Hillary in the primary, (but) andym May 2017 #124

Well, tRump is the president... Trial_By_Fire May 2017 #125

With all due respect, Mr Vice President... politicat May 2017 #126

Probably not helpful to say this now mvd May 2017 #129

Joe, we need to talk. nolabear May 2017 #140

Includes just a few of the Repug plays against Bernie bdjhawk May 2017 #143

Hopefully this is just Biden saying stupid s**t HeartachesNhangovers May 2017 #145

Joe "Foot-In-Mouth" Biden made a gaffe that is being twisted by HuffPo for clicks. wildeyed May 2017 #148

If Hillary wasn't correct, he sure as hell wasn't either. yurbud May 2017 #149

Well, of course he didn't, because he thought HE was the correct candidate. Iggo May 2017 #150

The big deal was that he said it when he didn't need to. HeartachesNhangovers May 2017 #151

Confirming the obvious is not a big deal. Iggo May 2017 #157

He's apparently supposed to spend the rest of his life in a state of self-abnegation BeyondGeography May 2017 #155

This message was self-deleted by its author ymetca May 2017 #154

My take on it: If Biden ran we could have ended up with Sanders in the GE Exilednight May 2017 #156

"People who voted for Sanders were never going to vote for a mainstream candidate..." Iggo May 2017 #159

What a well thought out reply. Oxford debate club would proud to have you. Exilednight May 2017 #167

I thought "Straight-up bullshit" was a little much. Iggo May 2017 #168

Profanity: the ignorant man's wit. Exilednight May 2017 #186

So...is Biden "trashing Democratic public figures" here? Ken Burch May 2017 #160

This is funny because... SaschaHM May 2017 #170

Yep. This times 100000000000 JHan May 2017 #191

The "correct candidate" wouldn't say this type of crap, especially at a time like this... ecstatic May 2017 #173

Agreed. frogmarch May 2017 #180

Apparently, from this thread, criticizing Biden is allowed Warren DeMontague May 2017 #181

Well, the majority of primary voters disagreed with you, Joe. GoCubsGo May 2017 #185

I would say STFU JOE Skittles May 2017 #190