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The Velveteen Ocelot

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11. Depends on what scares you the most.
Sat May 20, 2017, 04:07 PM
May 2017

He is less likely to start WWIII because he thought some head of state insulted him, so that would be an improvement. On the other hand, because he seems relatively sane (at least compared to Dolt 45), he might be considered more credible, and thus possibly more dangerous regarding domestic legislation. His focus will be on social issues favored by the fundie crowd (i.e., making life as miserable as possible for women, LGBT people and minorities) more than on economic issues - I think he'd even give up tax cuts for the rich if he could get rid of same sex marriage and abortion.

What I think might happen if SCROTUS is impeached or resigns and Pence becomes president is that Pence will carry Trump's stench with him. Pence might not have been actively involved in Trump's shenanigans - he seems to have made a point of knowing as little as possible (but this, too, remains to be seen), but even so, if Trump departs in disgrace Pence could remain under that cloud of suspicion. When Nixon resigned, Ford's popularity was pretty high, but nobody ever thought he had anything to do with Watergate (he became VP in October of 1973 after Agnew resigned, and just before shit got real with the Saturday Night Massacre). Pence, in contrast, has been with Trump since last summer and was part of the transition process, so he can't completely divorce himself from the mess even if he didn't actively participate in it. And Ford's popularity crashed when he pardoned Nixon, which probably cost him the 1976 election. That's something else for Pence to think about.

If Pence is weakened by whatever happens to Trump, it's likely the GOP will be weak as well, which means they won't have much luck pushing their agenda. So as bad as Pence might be if he were able to retain some credibility, his association with Trump might make that unlikely.

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Just a bigger hypocrite... Thomas Hurt May 2017 #1
I think he would be worse actually because he hides his evil better luvMIdog May 2017 #2
Exactly. n/t Jno_Gilmor_ May 2017 #19
He makes me want to take a shower if I happen to hear him speak. shraby May 2017 #3
I think he's worse cyclonefence May 2017 #4
It's a puzzlement. elleng May 2017 #5
I think that people will have severe trump fatigue and Pence will seem "normal" by comparison. femmocrat May 2017 #6
Pence is a nightmare but not a nuclear codes nightmare. Madam45for2923 May 2017 #7
No, but he doesn't have the cult-like following that Trump does and that will smirkymonkey May 2017 #8
Nope. In some cases, he's even worse since he won't try to get a 'deal' out of Congr.Repubs BlueCaliDem May 2017 #9
He will be "better" because he will be less chaotic and that means... JHan May 2017 #10
Sounds like Pence is wrapped up in this whole Russian thing and he might not be around anyway. womanofthehills May 2017 #24
that's true, he stinks in all this as well. JHan May 2017 #26
Depends on what scares you the most. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #11
Trump is highly mentally unstable and extremely volatile Tommy_Carcetti May 2017 #12
He's not insane and is aware of how a government works NightWatcher May 2017 #13
Actually Pence is more dangerous than Trump J_William_Ryan May 2017 #14
Yes but trump might kill us all by accident. We can methodically fight pence later. NightWatcher May 2017 #15
Trump appointed gorsuch. Trump is no better than pence on the issues JI7 May 2017 #29
I don't think Pence is much better. LisaL May 2017 #16
The only thing going for him is he is not insane & can be trusted with the nuclear codes Motley13 May 2017 #17
He is worse Hayduke Bomgarte May 2017 #18
Yet another attempt to try and save 45 by waving the Pence Flag.. MedusaX May 2017 #20
Probably worse... Wounded Bear May 2017 #21
No, he isn't. If they don't both go, nothing has been accomplished. DFW May 2017 #22
The word that comes to mind with Pence is "lackluster." Don't think he can win on his own. manicraven May 2017 #23
Potentially worse since he has a basic level of competency that Trump lacks (n/t) Spider Jerusalem May 2017 #25
NO. Doreen May 2017 #27
If Trump goes down Pence goes down WinstonSmith00 May 2017 #28
No, and he appeals to an even wider base. ucrdem May 2017 #30
Pence is a religious nut, yortsed snacilbuper May 2017 #31
No I think he's worse Luciferous May 2017 #32
He would shoot for a Theocracy. kairos12 May 2017 #33
No. Danger comes in all manner of packaging. Solly Mack May 2017 #34
So Trump and Pence go and then it's president Ryan BannonsLiver May 2017 #35
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