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steve2470

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89. I really do hope we will do that again

Sat May 20, 2017, 05:08 PM

May 2017

I fear with FauxNews and hateradio and Breitbart etc, the public discourse will be too poisoned towards the fascist right. It just boggles my mind that so many people actually thought that Trump...of all people...would be good for the country. He makes Bush look good. He makes Romney look like a freaking saint. He makes Nixon look almost....acceptable. Jesus Christ.

God help our country, and we progressives need to help God/the Universe/rationality/whatever one believes in.

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So, Trump, the "laughingstock," is on his way here to Europe. Here's my take on what is going on: [View all] DFW May 2017 OP

+1, "What they don't get is that we didn't have safeguards in place" uponit7771 May 2017 #1

In this case the safeguard (Electoral College) was stolen and worked backwards. Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #17

+1 uponit7771 May 2017 #21

The institution of the Electoral College did not foresee systemtic voter suppression DFW May 2017 #52

Every point you made is a great one. Thank you. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #54

And Kris Kobach... 3catwoman3 May 2017 #61

Good points. The Dem party should also have a standing committee to combat repug cheating... brush May 2017 #62

Howard Dean was particularly interested in combating voter fraud from the right DFW May 2017 #66

That Dean "retired" is putting it nicely. maddiemom May 2017 #107

I've known Howard for over 15 years. DFW May 2017 #111

Voter apathy -- 45% didn't bother to vote BarbD May 2017 #67

That makes two of us. DFW May 2017 #69

Exceptional post. This is what we need. suffragette May 2017 #76

Voting supression and electoral fraud should have been #1 on the agenda right after Dubya won LiberalLovinLug May 2017 #95

The answer to the rhetorical "how bad can they be?" DFW May 2017 #96

Great post. You touch on so many of the important reasons the dems are ineffective. erronis May 2017 #110

In Oregon we vote exclusively by mail, problem solved. flibbitygiblets May 2017 #98

If it's practical and makes sense, guess who will fight it tooth and nail DFW May 2017 #99

I always enjoy your posts and you are right on with this. yardwork May 2017 #102

Thanks for the kind words, and I HATE being right about this particular issue! DFW May 2017 #103

When the Democrats get back in power, we must insist on safeguards. yardwork May 2017 #104

I hope the next Democratic leaders are bunch of smart dedicated people I'm too old to have met yet DFW May 2017 #105

Don't we say that every 4/8/12 years? When we get back in power... erronis May 2017 #112

Democrats have certainly not done enough about vote suppression. yardwork May 2017 #117

I read somwhere..... SergeStorms May 2017 #129

That's not my understanding. zentrum May 2017 #83

As you say, the only silver lining is that we're serving as a bad example, not to be emulated. NBachers May 2017 #2

A Cautionary Tale Cha May 2017 #7

I hope we've seen the last of Stein. maddiemom May 2017 #108

I wish, too.. but I doubt it. :( Cha May 2017 #124

Thank You, DFW, For Your Informative Post DDySiegs May 2017 #3

What a contrast between Merkel and Trump. Merkel, the pragmatist, Trump, just a series of emotional Doodley May 2017 #4

In 2012, I had the pleasure of spending an hour with President Obama DFW May 2017 #55

And chocolate cake! The best ever!!! spooky3 May 2017 #82

No chocolate cake that time DFW May 2017 #97

It's no comfort. It's just good to know that the damage spooky3 May 2017 #100

Back in the USSA DFW May 2017 #101

??? I must have skipped over the backstory here erronis May 2017 #113

I think some of the potential environmental damage Trump's pals are capable of doing DFW May 2017 #115

Not too apocalyptic. More like the metaphoric frog that is being slowly boiled erronis May 2017 #119

Just got back from Europe yesterday iamateacher May 2017 #5

Former expat in Germany here flygal May 2017 #6

Pladduetsch I can handle. DFW May 2017 #9

Ha! That's like that commercial where a woman wanted something to shipped to flygal May 2017 #11

So do I! DFW May 2017 #46

I spent some teen years in Schweitz and can't rid myself of the sing-song erronis May 2017 #114

Way back in the dawn of time DFW May 2017 #118

Mahalo for your experience in Germany with Cha May 2017 #8

Noʻu ka hauʻoli DFW May 2017 #10

That's awesome! I haven't been to the Cha May 2017 #14

We love the Big Island. DFW May 2017 #42

Waipio Valley was a paradise in the 70's,.. Permanut May 2017 #126

I only saw Waipio from above, never went down to the black sand DFW May 2017 #140

Oh, man, that road.. Permanut May 2017 #141

I heard that DFW May 2017 #144

You're really taking me back in time.. Permanut May 2017 #146

The only reason I know that area DFW May 2017 #147

Well done JustAnotherGen May 2017 #12

It never fails to amaze me sometimes DFW May 2017 #47

The rise of Trump in America is startling, he saw the weaknesses in the systems, no safeguards, and RKP5637 May 2017 #13

He did not exploit those alone. His comrades across the water and the optical fibres helped some. nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #18

And the authoritarian GOP. Without the GOP he would have ended like LePen american_ideals May 2017 #25

True. Good post. Welcome to DU. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #26

Their propaganda arms ("media") cannot be underestimated DFW May 2017 #39

The last or the beginning2 I think that will be up to us ultimately DFW May 2017 #48

That's not The Who, it's Twisted Sister. First band I ever saw. bettyellen May 2017 #57

I was referring to this part of "Tommy" DFW May 2017 #59

The Who did the original. maddiemom May 2017 #109

It's a different song- the TS version was used by Trump last year and Dee shut him down. LOL bettyellen May 2017 #116

The Trump brand Roy Rolling May 2017 #15

Well Said, DFW,... MarianJack May 2017 #16

Thanks for that DFW May 2017 #35

Thanks for that report DFW. Ligyron May 2017 #19

You don't have to do that--but learn the local languages first DFW May 2017 #33

You're right. Progressive Americans need to be ambassadors of sanity when abroad. Ligyron May 2017 #56

I'm aware of the Parisians' rep, but don't full subscribe to it DFW May 2017 #68

Interesting! Ligyron May 2017 #77

Aren't there like a hundred different langauges spoken in Borneo? DFW May 2017 #79

That's what I heard. Ligyron May 2017 #84

That would be my reason for going, too. DFW May 2017 #86

What a great story. And so true .. pangaia May 2017 #81

Thanks DFW for your insightful and informative post. nt oasis May 2017 #20

Europeans vs. half of US - difference is Fox News and RW propaganda american_ideals May 2017 #22

Also, Murdoch (Fox News) is in the UK american_ideals May 2017 #23

Fox does not broadcast here in Germany DFW May 2017 #29

My whole life I've thought it was a mistake on our part to tolerate neo-Nazis & their ilk... Hekate May 2017 #32

Thre ARE laws against hate speech DFW May 2017 #34

Yes Hekate May 2017 #36

And Europe (and Israel) also have stronger campaign and campaign finance laws sharedvalues May 2017 #65

So much propaganda in the US american_ideals May 2017 #37

Ignorance is the life-giving elixir of the Republican Party DFW May 2017 #40

YES! That's why DeVos is trying to destroy public education. american_ideals May 2017 #64

Heavy article... insightful keithbvadu2 May 2017 #122

Hence Brexit Hekate May 2017 #30

Interesting! One quibble: Hollande was not the payola guy. That was Sarkozy. ucrdem May 2017 #24

Hollande already had all he could ever need from other people's taxes. He didn't need the rest. DFW May 2017 #27

The first measure Hollande enacted was to lower his own salary by 30%. ucrdem May 2017 #41

I didn't accuse him of corruption, just incompetence. DFW May 2017 #45

Lining one's pockets or "grabbing all they'll ever need legally" describes Fillon, ucrdem May 2017 #49

And how many of his "plans" got carried out? DFW May 2017 #50

I like the edit and gave it a rec. ucrdem May 2017 #51

Good to see you as always, DFW. I find your news about Europe to be very encouraging... Hekate May 2017 #28

WE SENT YOU A GIFT.... bresue May 2017 #31

great analysis heaven05 May 2017 #38

Re the 6% move in EURUSD... Lucky Luciano May 2017 #43

I agree that Macron's win was part of it, but only part DFW May 2017 #58

Thanks DFW. I always appreciate your perspective and the view from the smirkymonkey May 2017 #44

Whoever thought that movie would be a blueprint for the USA? DFW May 2017 #53

My concern - RandomAccess May 2017 #60

Dugin is VERY bad news DFW May 2017 #71

Yes, he is an open fascist RandomAccess May 2017 #93

I did know that our extremist right loved Dugin DFW May 2017 #94

welcome to du niyad May 2017 #74

Thanks RandomAccess May 2017 #87

Appointing someone to every dept to report back Lars39 May 2017 #145

I think from Europe, it's hard to appreciate what TV coverage of the election was like muriel_volestrangler May 2017 #63

I was appalled when I visited the States last summer, my wife even more so DFW May 2017 #70

thank you, as always, for such an informative post. niyad May 2017 #72

I'm glad you found something in there you considered worthwhile DFW May 2017 #73

bookmarking because I only have a bit of time today, and want to read all the comments. niyad May 2017 #75

Thank you, DFW. I always Lifelong Protester May 2017 #78

Thanks! My biggest challenge is staying awake DFW May 2017 #80

Excellent OP, as always steve2470 May 2017 #85

So far, though, we have always retreated from the brink DFW May 2017 #88

I really do hope we will do that again steve2470 May 2017 #89

The crazies do have their constant vein drip of hate DFW May 2017 #90

good points, all the best to your you and your lovely family! nt steve2470 May 2017 #91

Thanks as always, Steve DFW May 2017 #92

Evita Rainbow Tour exboyfil May 2017 #106

Do you interview everyone you meet or do random strangers just trot up and spill their obliviously May 2017 #120

More like they interview me DFW May 2017 #130

Your article/opinion is terrific. DK504 May 2017 #121

Maybe the thinking he's brilliant is a cover DFW May 2017 #134

"paranoid egotist with an inferiority complex" - OUCH! Great OP with some excellent comments. (DT keithbvadu2 May 2017 #123

Don't worry DFW May 2017 #131

We're sorry! We didn't all vote for him! forgotmylogin May 2017 #125

I haven't heard a peep from the UK. DFW May 2017 #132

Seriously. forgotmylogin May 2017 #142

K&R!!!!!! burrowowl May 2017 #127

Left CH in March LittleGirl May 2017 #128

I'm sure if email voting becomes prevalent, it will become hackable, too DFW May 2017 #133

There were LittleGirl May 2017 #137

It's sad how the world Blue_Roses May 2017 #135

The embarrassment hurts DFW May 2017 #136

+1 Brilliant analysis, both in the OP and the thread. LongTomH May 2017 #138

He's supposed to arrive in Sprout City on Wednesday DFW May 2017 #139

One of the best OPs and threads I've seen here in a long time. Liberal In Texas May 2017 #143

Except that a US failure is strategically advantageous to Europe. FigTree May 2017 #148

I don't know where that one came from, but it's not the prevalent attitude here DFW May 2017 #149