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karynnj

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38. Except Kerry did NOT ignore the SBVT - that was a smear mostly from Clinton allies after he lost
Fri Jul 6, 2012, 01:43 PM
Jul 2012

The media for the most part colluded with the Republicans and condoned character assassinations of both John and Teresa Kerry.

Here is a PARTIAL list of Kerry and his team's reactions to the SBVT:

The campaign's immediate reaction to the August attack was to put out 36 pages listing lies and discrepancies in the book. That was done within ONE DAY of the book's emergence in August.(In 2008, the first reaction of the Obama team was to put out 41 pages on lies in Corsi's book.) This should have been sufficient to spike their attack. How many lies are people usually allowed when they are disputing the official record, offering nothing - not one Telex, photo, or record sent upward discussing Kerry as the problem portrayed in the book - as proof. They also later proved the links to Bush - in funding, lawyers, and in one case the B/C people were caught passing it out. In addition, Kerry surrogates including some of his crew, Rassman and Cleland countered it. (Like Kerry, Obama used surrogates against Corsi rather than respond himself)

That was far more proof countering the liars than the Clinton machine ever put out on anything. The problem was that it went to the media and they refused to play the role of evaluating who was telling the truth - the Washington Post's editor even saying they wouldn't. The broadcast media was worse. Would Obama have done as well if the networks and cable TV failed to give coverage to his speech on race in the furor over Reverend Wright?

Many Democrats, including Edwards who was asked to, did little. It wasn't that they had no ammunition to use. There was an abundance of proof - far more than would be typically available as they hit against a well documented official record. Even before the August re-emergence, the Kerry campaign had already provided the media with more than enough backup for them to reject the August attack out of hand.

It should also be mentioned that it was not Kerry's accounts they disputed, it was the NAVY's official record. Backing the NAVY account over the SBVT, Kerry had the following:

he had 120 pages of naval records - spanning the entire interval with glowing fitness reports - all given to the media and on his web site from April on. That alone should have been enough. (In addition to disproving the SBVT lies, these reports completely dispute the RW stereotype that Kerry was an elite snob - in EVERY position for about 4 years, it was noted how exceptional his relationship with his subordinates was and how intensely loyal they were to him. Tour of Duty also had accounts that Kerry rejected the way many officers treated their subordinates because it completely disgusted him. No Romney/Bush bully here.)

He had every man on his boat for every medal earned 100% behind him. That alone should have been enough.

He had the Nixon administration on tape (that they thought would never be public) saying he was both a genuine war hero and clean, but for political reasons should be destroyed. (SBVT O'Neil was one of those tasked to destroy Kerry in 1971.) That alone should have been enough.

He also was given a plum assignment in Brooklyn as an aide to a rear admiral. From the naval records, this required a higher security clearance - clearly his "employers" of the last 3 years (many SBVT) had to attest to his good character. That's just standard. That alone should have been enough.

The then secretary of the Navy (Republican Senator John Warner) said he personally had reviewed the Silver Star Award. That alone should have been enough.

Compare this list of proof to Carville & Co response on Clinton's Flowers or draft problems - this is far more comprehensive and completely refutes the charges. The Clinton responses in these two instances did not completely refute the charges - in fact, after changing his story a few times in each case - conceding that earlier statements were not completely true - parts of the charges were conceded. The difference was that in 1992 - even in the primary - Clinton was given breaks by a media that wanted him to win. The fact is that we KNEW in those two cases that he was willing to dissemble and scapegoat others when he was called on his actions - two things that later hurt his Presidency.

In any previous election, calmly and professionally countering lies by disproving them would have been the obvious preferred first step. It is only when there is no open and shut case (as there is here) that the candidate would try anything different.When this didn't work, Kerry did speak to the issue - and he did so before the Firefighters as soon as it was appear that the attack was beginning to hurt him. Many here - all political junkies didn't here this. Why? The media that gave a huge amount of free time to people they had to know were lying didn't think that it was important to give the Democratic nominees response air time. Now, it was - I think less than 2 minutes long - so there is no excuse.

As to Teresa, I am STILL often surprised to learn of major things she did through her foundation. Four quick major examples are:
Teresa through example with her offices and the buildings she funded or partially funded was key to making Pittsburgh one of the greenest big cities in the US. In addition, while doing this she initiated a coordinated successful effort by several Pittsburgh philanthropists to revitalize Pittsburgh which was in trouble in the mid 1990s. She has funded prototype programs for education in PA that have helped prove their value. The foundation with Corey Booker created a way to provide several types of needed medicines to low income people inexpensively. Yet during the campaign nothing was said of her accomplishments. In addition, as one who has seen her a few times at their book signings and at political events, she is a gracious, charming, softspoken woman, who is very very intelligence and who has a very good sense of humor.

In the 1990s, Teresa was always mentioned as beautiful (which she still is), intelligent and charming and a political asset to Heinz. Now consider that the media reported very little of this and instead created a caricature. Obviously the reason was to prevent what would have happened otherwise. If seen as she is, the fact that she married Kerry would have for some validated that he was a very good person. In fact, a PA transplanted Republican in my NJ county spoke of Kerry being the first Democrat she voted for - and the initial reason she considered doing so was " if Teresa married him he wasn't sleazy"

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Except Kerry did NOT ignore the SBVT - that was a smear mostly from Clinton allies after he lost karynnj Jul 2012 #38
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