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The Velveteen Ocelot

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66. You don't seem to understand the difference between what's necessary
Sat May 20, 2017, 07:47 PM
May 2017

to start impeachment proceedings and the substantive bases for those proceedings. Once again, the Supreme Court has NO jurisdiction over impeachment, which is entirely within the purview of the House of Representatives. If they were to decide, in an entirely separate proceeding that involved the constitutionality of an executive order (for example), that a president had violated the take care clause (this has never happened, by the way), that decision theoretically COULD form a basis for articles of impeachment as prepared by the House Judiciary Committee and issued by the full House. But it would not have to, since that decision would not be res judicata as to any action by the House. In any event, none of this has ever happened. There is nothing - NOTHING - the Supreme Court can do to COMPEL the initiation of impeachment proceedings. The House has to do that regardless of what the Supreme Court decides about the take care clause.

And the notion that the Supreme Court has "notified" Trump that impeachment proceedings are commencing and he must not pardon anybody who might be involved in the Russia investigation is pure fantasy because (a) notification would come from the House Judiciary Committee, not the Supreme Court (because they have nothing to do with impeachment proceedings and probably wouldn't know it was happening until they read about it in the paper); and (b) the Supreme Court can't prevent a president from pardoning anybody - the Constitution gives that power solely to the president.

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How about not misquoting her? pnwmom May 2017 #1
Sorry, this was dirextly from her blog brooklynite May 2017 #19
You're misquoting her still. Mensch:"considering", you:"Drawing up" emulatorloo May 2017 #27
No, it wasn't. YOU used the phrase "drawing up." She said "considering." pnwmom May 2017 #28
No the House is not "considering" impeachment. former9thward May 2017 #69
How do you know they aren't at some stage of considering impeaching him? pnwmom May 2017 #72
LOL former9thward May 2017 #78
You are the one that is going off point grantcart May 2017 #29
One can question Mensch's credibility without fabricating quotes emulatorloo May 2017 #34
In using "drawing up" the OP understated the meaning of Mensch not over stating it grantcart May 2017 #40
Grant I've got a lot of respect for you, but I don't like misquotations. emulatorloo May 2017 #47
Two Points grantcart May 2017 #53
I hope yr not suggesting she's "Pro-Trump" because of point 2. emulatorloo May 2017 #55
She is not a friendly, she is a professional Conservative politician who is looking to cash out. grantcart May 2017 #61
I know Mensch's history. I also know about Schmidt, Frum, Wilson, and other professional emulatorloo May 2017 #63
Complete fallacy grantcart May 2017 #73
I think you missed the point. emulatorloo May 2017 #93
You defended Mensch by grouping her with conservative critics. grantcart May 2017 #95
I'm done engaging with you on this topic. emulatorloo May 2017 #96
Ted Lieu is sure talking about impeachment and he's not being subtle womanofthehills May 2017 #67
Let's compare grantcart May 2017 #71
Looks Like The Swarm Is Still After Louise Me. May 2017 #79
That IS NOT what she said. Don't use Fake News to bash her. L. Coyote May 2017 #2
Thanks L Coyote! triron May 2017 #14
She outed someone 's mask. mhw May 2017 #16
I'd love to see the Admin stats on who alerts for what. MIRT needs a good statistical tool. L. Coyote May 2017 #60
It really doesn't matter... Since the actual title is equally damaging to her credibility FBaggins May 2017 #90
See Rep Ted Lieu's tweet and get back to us. emulatorloo May 2017 #3
2015...? sarisataka May 2017 #5
As a model, is how I understood that. nt pnwmom May 2017 #7
Not so sure about that sarisataka May 2017 #10
It can BOTH be true that a House committee is considering pnwmom May 2017 #15
The problem is sarisataka May 2017 #20
Tweet sent May 19th 2017. emulatorloo May 2017 #9
This is factually flat-out wrong on several points. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #4
AM Joy - speculating about the probability/possibility of impeachment womanofthehills May 2017 #21
It's fine to speculate. Just get the facts straight about how it works. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #23
I believe Mensch said "being considered" womanofthehills May 2017 #26
She also said the SCOTUS "notified Mr. Trump that the formal process of a case of impeachment" Foamfollower May 2017 #88
FALSE- the Supreme Court can be involved thru the "take care clause" womanofthehills May 2017 #43
A finding by the Supreme Court that a president has violated the "take care" clause The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #48
The part you're missing is that there couldn't have BEEN such a ruling FBaggins May 2017 #91
It has become the conditioned response sarisataka May 2017 #6
The reason I doubt this story? kentuck May 2017 #8
That doesn't mean they couldn't "consider" it. They could then reject the motion. pnwmom May 2017 #11
But, hasn't that been reported on the news already? kentuck May 2017 #13
His call was in the news. If the House is now considering his call for impeachment, pnwmom May 2017 #30
No, they're not under any obligation to act on a minority member speech or motion. SaschaHM May 2017 #22
lawyer Sara Smith womanofthehills May 2017 #68
They're wrong. The steps are clear and proscribed in official literature that is readily available. SaschaHM May 2017 #70
This cannot happen yet DFW May 2017 #12
Lol emulatorloo May 2017 #18
I mean, consider some of their past classics: DFW May 2017 #31
Thank you so much! Made my day much brighter! emulatorloo May 2017 #35
We didn't do many during the Obama years DFW May 2017 #37
Exciting! Can not wait! emulatorloo May 2017 #39
I'll announce them here on the board as they get done. DFW May 2017 #41
You're misquoting Mench. emulatorloo May 2017 #17
This is absurd on its face. The "Supreme Court" has no role in impeachment proceedings onenote May 2017 #24
WRONG-a ruling by the Supreme Court that a president violated the take care clause could open up womanofthehills May 2017 #42
You don't seem to understand the difference between what's necessary The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #66
thanks. I don't know if i could have responded as politely to you onenote May 2017 #75
The "take care" clause of the Constitution, or more formally SlimJimmy May 2017 #81
Send this loony Brit to a course on American Government frazzled May 2017 #25
Wrong about impeachment and Supreme Court and Louise womanofthehills May 2017 #50
The "take care" clause does *not* constitute procedural origination in the Supreme Court. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #52
As pointed out above, I'm afraid you are the one that's mistaken about the Court's role onenote May 2017 #76
But a member of The House of Representative HAS made a formal call for Impeachment. mackdaddy May 2017 #83
A speech on the House floor is nothing more than a speech on the House floor onenote May 2017 #86
Which makes me wonder whether she's passing on rumors The Velveteen Ocelot May 2017 #57
And the Marshal of the Supreme Court spoke to Trump! MineralMan May 2017 #32
FYI: I copied this VERBATIM from her website brooklynite May 2017 #33
Even the wording in the link address says "considering" Cal Carpenter May 2017 #36
FYI the wording in the tweet and the blog is "considering". Please correct your title emulatorloo May 2017 #38
Just a heads up Charlotte Little May 2017 #45
"Marshal of the Supreme Court." geek tragedy May 2017 #44
She meant the Thurgood Marshal, come on, it was a typo ucrdem May 2017 #65
I thought that was geek tragedy May 2017 #80
She meant the exchequer of the circuit court of chancery ucrdem May 2017 #85
CNN reported Friday that WH lawyers were researching impeachment procedures. I have no anneboleyn May 2017 #46
Can't we just not post her stuff? oberliner May 2017 #49
If we don't post her stuff, we will not know what will be on MSM next week womanofthehills May 2017 #51
The OP wrote that her stuff is "basically fiction" oberliner May 2017 #56
I can agree wryter2000 May 2017 #54
shes having a laugh brettdale May 2017 #58
has she been right about anything? Hamlette May 2017 #59
Yes. GliderGuider May 2017 #64
Has she been right about more things than she's been wrong about? onenote May 2017 #77
Funny Orrex May 2017 #89
Of course grantcart May 2017 #74
Hmmmm.... so if a source has been wrong about Voltaire2 May 2017 #84
It is serious but not difficult grantcart May 2017 #94
She's bonkers (and being a little dishonest as well). Bleacher Creature May 2017 #62
I agree this is most likely fiction. OldSchoolLiberal May 2017 #82
Well, she obviously has no clue whatsoever how our government works, so there's that. Foamfollower May 2017 #87
TSUNAMI SOON womanofthehills May 2017 #92
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