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crazycatlady

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240. NJ is the same way

Mon May 22, 2017, 08:28 AM

May 2017

We have four candidates for governor.

Phil Murphy-- Obama ambassador to Germany. Before that a Goldman Sachs guy. Been endorsed by all 21 county parties (means more in NJ than most states). Current frontrunner and by far raised the most money (and self-funded).

Jim Johnson--- former federal prosecutor known for going after white-collar crime. Also spent his legal career doing things like protecting the right to vote and social justice issues.

John Wisniewski-- Current assemblyman, former NJ Dems chair. Chair of the transportation committee so made a name for himself during Bridgegate. Only 'establishment' politician to endorse Bernie in the primary last yer and running on that. (FTR Bernie's son Levi has been campaigning with Phil Murphy). Running on taking back NJ for the middle class.

Ray Lesniak. Current state senator. (36 year career in Trenton in both houses of the legislature). Socially progressive but will support business tax breaks.

I've already voted. As I said before, Murphy is currently the frontrunner, but I'm skeptical of his Goldman Sachs ties because our last Goldman Sachs governor wasn't that good. But I can live with all of them.

AS far as their age goes-- all 50s-60s.

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I am going to say something very controversial for some... [View all] kentuck May 2017 OP

I completely agree...time for new blood. Demsrule86 May 2017 #1

YES! YES! YES! brush May 2017 #39

We need to move into the future. We are progressive or liberal... Demsrule86 May 2017 #201

I think Sherrod Brown could help us in the rust belt and with maybe Rep. Joseph Kennedy III, Demsrule86 May 2017 #204

I like all of those you mentioned, and Newsom of California. brush May 2017 #212

How about Julian or Joaquin Castro? Either of them would be PatrickforO May 2017 #66

Only one sitting Congressman has ever been elected President. kentuck May 2017 #84

Do they actually have any positions on any issues? Warren DeMontague May 2017 #139

Does Trump? PatrickforO May 2017 #157

I agree that we ought to get better, and fast, at linguistic framing. Warren DeMontague May 2017 #159

OK, Booker sounds pretty good. PatrickforO May 2017 #162

Booker is corporate. Paka May 2017 #187

No he is not...and quit calling Democrats names. Demsrule86 May 2017 #202

I like both of them very much. I was hoping Hillary would choose one or the other Demsrule86 May 2017 #200

I like both of them. Demsrule86 May 2017 #237

Totally agree and they should all say so- especially Biden and Sanders... bettyellen May 2017 #2

And Hillary should say she's not running either. Bluepinky May 2017 #129

I thought she already did. Isn't that why people were going after her daughter? bettyellen May 2017 #131

She may have, I'm not sure. Bluepinky May 2017 #177

She already did...and I hope Sen. Sanders understands the time has come and gone... Demsrule86 May 2017 #203

Exactly loyalsister May 2017 #138

It is time for someone who can not only win, but who has coattails virtualobserver May 2017 #3

I don't think age is that important. RDANGELO May 2017 #4

No running against the establishment!!!!! I am sick of the anti-establishment bull shit ... Demsrule86 May 2017 #83

Trump was the anti establishment candidate. n/t RDANGELO May 2017 #101

And look what it got us. How anyone can think putting a non-politician in the WH was a good BlueCaliDem May 2017 #113

It doesn't have to be a non politician. RDANGELO May 2017 #114

Generally, that's been the case up until Barack Obama, who proved Senators can get'r done, too. eom BlueCaliDem May 2017 #125

Actually a governor is a good idea crazycatlady May 2017 #236

And he did not win Tribalceltic May 2017 #117

Well actually Lotusflower70 May 2017 #126

Fully agree. we can do it May 2017 #5

same here... i love hillary and joe and their wisdom is so important.. but... samnsara May 2017 #6

Absolutely! Stonepounder May 2017 #59

The belief that presidents age fast in office has no scientific delisen May 2017 #153

Maybe no scientific basis, Stonepounder May 2017 #156

If I were going to be President SCantiGOP May 2017 #178

New Blood with help of the old wisdom mshasta May 2017 #7

I agree. We need a new and younger voice and vision. yardwork May 2017 #8

Agreed Old Terp May 2017 #9

I agree with you, and posted a similar OP some time ago MineralMan May 2017 #10

As long as they win, which is harder when certain folks work overtime to divide the Eliot Rosewater May 2017 #13

Well, I'm hopeful that we learned something from 2016. MineralMan May 2017 #16

I want a Kennedy underthematrix May 2017 #11

Caroline Kennedy safeinOhio May 2017 #21

Someone like a young governor would be better. kentuck May 2017 #26

She's not enough of an extrovert. You need an outgoing personality. kerry-is-my-prez May 2017 #48

I like her but she is an awful candidate... Joe Kennedy in the House... Demsrule86 May 2017 #85

No, she's a lovely woman, but has no charisma and lacks smirkymonkey May 2017 #92

I am hoping for s Joseph Kennedy III and Sherod Brown ticket right now world wide wally May 2017 #34

This. Maynar May 2017 #108

That sounds really good! . . . .n/t annabanana May 2017 #135

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Peripheral issue. kentuck May 2017 #146

No, see, actually it isn't. Warren DeMontague May 2017 #150

If it is the end of the f'ing story....? kentuck May 2017 #154

Nope, not really. Warren DeMontague May 2017 #155

BINGO! Joe Kennedy III underthematrix May 2017 #170

An actual Kennedy? Bradical79 May 2017 #74

why? Warren DeMontague May 2017 #140

"a Kennedy"? Dynasty much? No more dynasties, please. If you can't be specific, please don't bother. Bernardo de La Paz May 2017 #149

Here you go AngryAmish May 2017 #224

Pass. No political aristocracies for me, thanks. AtheistCrusader May 2017 #245

I wanna see someone who can overcome russian and gop cheating and win Eliot Rosewater May 2017 #12

Someone like a Kennedy... yallerdawg May 2017 #14

I absolutely agree SpankMe May 2017 #15

Love them all, but NO. dalton99a May 2017 #17

Hillary's not running. Bernie won't say. Don't know about Biden. emulatorloo May 2017 #18

you are kidding yourself about Hillary virtualobserver May 2017 #33

Time will tell I guess. emulatorloo May 2017 #49

It is too early for either of them to say that they are..... virtualobserver May 2017 #70

I've only seen people who hate her float this idea- same people who were so bettyellen May 2017 #144

imagining that Hillary will run for President is not divisive..... virtualobserver May 2017 #147

I'm saying I've really only seen people who dislike her floating the idea- trying to be divisive ... bettyellen May 2017 #151

It is clearer. virtualobserver May 2017 #152

She said she wouldn't on April 6th. AtheistCrusader May 2017 #246

she said that she didn't think she would....she has said that in previous years as well virtualobserver May 2017 #247

Yep, they are not fooling anyone. nt stevenleser May 2017 #219

I think based on his actions, Sen. Sanders does plan to run...and I don't think he can do it as a Demsrule86 May 2017 #89

Let's pick a fresh face who doesn't already have a ton of enemies NightWatcher May 2017 #19

Me too. FarPoint May 2017 #20

Completely agree Dem_4_Life May 2017 #22

Fresh face would be ok, but safeinOhio May 2017 #23

There are many worthy possibilities.. LakeArenal May 2017 #24

They like the 'ZZZ' sounds in their scandal labels bucolic_frolic May 2017 #44

Agree 100% Heartstrings May 2017 #194

If we don't re-take the congress in 2018, there won't be a 2020 election Yavin4 May 2017 #25

True that. LakeArenal May 2017 #27

+1 demmiblue May 2017 #30

Spot on Yavin4 - NoMoreRepugs May 2017 #71

+1 uponit7771 May 2017 #88

They will run candidates for low profile offices like Director of Sanitation Jake Stern May 2017 #132

Hardly controversial, and not even new. Your opipnion is shared, and not just by anonymous bloggers DFW May 2017 #28

I'm a little worried we're going to have our very own clown car Sen. Walter Sobchak May 2017 #100

It wouldn't be the first time we blew a sure thing DFW May 2017 #109

I don't think we have learned anything from the past election, or we learned the wrong things Sen. Walter Sobchak May 2017 #181

I don't think there is any way Clinton would put her hat in after losing to Trump. demmiblue May 2017 #29

Keep your eyes on California shadowmayor May 2017 #31

Kamala Harris OR Gavin Newsom nbsmom May 2017 #35

Yes! Gavin! Gavin! Gavin! flibbitygiblets May 2017 #169

Hard to avert one's eyes mchill May 2017 #61

I can't see Newsom turning around and running for president right after winning election StevieM May 2017 #184

K&R...Agreed. spanone May 2017 #32

We have a thin bench bucolic_frolic May 2017 #36

It needs to expand at the local level crazycatlady May 2017 #239

I don't consider that controversial at all Generic Brad May 2017 #37

I agree we need new blood and voices to speak for the Democratic Party in 2020 kimbutgar May 2017 #38

They need to find somebody Turbineguy May 2017 #40

Very important point. kentuck May 2017 #45

I believe this person will throw things back in their face - hard dalton99a May 2017 #52

Agree! Thinking of France and Canada... We need new and younger, too, but with intelligence. manicraven May 2017 #41

I respect all three of them, but you are absolutely correct--we need someone younger Mrs. Overall May 2017 #42

Not controversial at all. PoindexterOglethorpe May 2017 #43

Haven't seen anyone in danger of being locked out. Candidates delisen May 2017 #91

To paraphrase a Democratic President... DonViejo May 2017 #46

I shocked a good friend yesterday by saying the near-identical thing. Eyeball_Kid May 2017 #47

That's what I've been trying to say. Ken Burch May 2017 #50

Not controversial at all... ewagner May 2017 #51

That's not controversial..it's reality nini May 2017 #53

ITA. nt Lisa0825 May 2017 #54

Yes! Time to look forwards, not backwards. Kablooie May 2017 #55

let the older ones have key cabinet posts. ginnyinWI May 2017 #56

Completely agree. Time to move on. nt. PufPuf23 May 2017 #57

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Completely agree and the grass roots are sprouting. mountain grammy May 2017 #60

Given the last election I'm not sure how anyone can disagree bitterross May 2017 #62

It needs to be someone likeable with personality. It goes without saying that they will be knowled- kerry-is-my-prez May 2017 #63

Jimmy Kimmel for president Bucky May 2017 #134

My preferences among the politicians I've seen MurrayDelph May 2017 #64

Like Rebl2 May 2017 #165

I agree proud patriot May 2017 #65

Regardless of age 47of74 May 2017 #67

I will vote for the candidate that best represents my interests! Dustlawyer May 2017 #68

Really? I always vote for the Democrat. Demsrule86 May 2017 #205

"Are you for more taxcuts for the wealthy...?" kentuck May 2017 #208

I always vote for the Dem...and reason we are in this mess has much to do with purity tests and a Demsrule86 May 2017 #234

In a Primary they are usually all Democrats considering Republicans do not represent my Dustlawyer May 2017 #213

If a seat is democratically held...I do not vote for a primary challenger unless Demsrule86 May 2017 #233

And this is why Democrats cant' have nice things...like single payer. Demsrule86 May 2017 #235

No, I think it's because the DNC knows they can count on Dustlawyer May 2017 #242

I wish...if that were the case we would have won in 2000, 2004, 2010 and 2012 and the Demsrule86 May 2017 #243

I agree 100%! Greybnk48 May 2017 #69

I honestly don't think that will even be an issue... n/t hlthe2b May 2017 #72

I agree TNNurse May 2017 #73

I love them all dearly..... SergeStorms May 2017 #75

Affirmative! Mountain Mule May 2017 #76

Amen. OldRedneck May 2017 #77

NJ is the same way crazycatlady May 2017 #240

Trudeau and Macron set a good example Blue Ridge Virginia May 2017 #78

There's two more I can think of crazycatlady May 2017 #241

Agree!!! n/t RKP5637 May 2017 #79

Age matters Bradical79 May 2017 #80

I agree 100 % luvMIdog May 2017 #81

Schiff, Swalwell, Yates Amaryllis May 2017 #82

I don't want a gerontocracy, either Warpy May 2017 #86

Al Franken / Joe Kennedy sellitman May 2017 #87

I agree, and I'm an 'oldster'. Lifelong Protester May 2017 #90

I agree. I admire all of them for the service they have given this country, but smirkymonkey May 2017 #93

You are not the only one I fully agree marlakay May 2017 #94

You forgot the YUUUGE caveat, unless L. Coyote May 2017 #95

Tim Ryan stevil May 2017 #96

Works for me! WinkyDink May 2017 #97

right, because we want to attract those superficial, emotion-based voters... not. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2017 #98

I'll vote for the most qualified, regardless of who wins the personality contest. Lil Missy May 2017 #99

The cult of personality can be intoxicating for many... NurseJackie May 2017 #106

Agree wholeheartedly. bronxiteforever May 2017 #102

I totally agree. aquamarina May 2017 #103

I don't know how we take the nation's temperature in the age of alt facts. SleeplessinSoCal May 2017 #104

This title is click bait: not controversial at all. Not contra at all, simply sensible. Dorn May 2017 #105

This boomer agrees. GeorgeGist May 2017 #107

Although I knew Hillary was going to be tha nominee I always thought O'Malley was an easier sell underpants May 2017 #110

Likewise. I was surprised he didn't do better. If I recall correctly, even WestSeattle2 May 2017 #119

Van Jones classykaren May 2017 #111

Agree ananda May 2017 #112

Hillary already said no to future runs. She has turned over her campaign voter lists to the DNC. riversedge May 2017 #115

Hmm. Thought Democrats were above ageism. Guess not. tarheelsunc May 2017 #116

There is evidence indicating Ronald Reagan was suffering from Alzheimer's WestSeattle2 May 2017 #121

Nope, guess not. disambiguation May 2017 #124

Hear, hear. Welcome to DU, Disambiguation. Hortensis May 2017 #218

Well, when upset, a lot of people reject the old and look for Hortensis May 2017 #196

Here, Here! I could not possibly agree more. I remember when I WestSeattle2 May 2017 #118

Why has no one mentioned ... jb5150 May 2017 #120

Pocahontas? kentuck May 2017 #122

Let Trump try that with her as his opponent, she will take it to him. Blue_true May 2017 #161

Yes seta1950 May 2017 #123

That's not controversial Lotusflower70 May 2017 #127

I agree with you. femmocrat May 2017 #128

Agreed Mercurian May 2017 #130

If we don't nominate Walter Mondale in 2020, I refuse to vote Bucky May 2017 #133

Dukakis is the man. dalton99a May 2017 #190

Agree doodsaq May 2017 #136

No Joe, No Hillary, No Bernie. 100% Agreement. No re-hash. Warren DeMontague May 2017 #137

Newsom. Warren. Booker. Harris. Buttigeig. Franken. Inslee. Warren DeMontague May 2017 #142

If that means risking a senate seat I would say no. nt cstanleytech May 2017 #173

I doubt we'd need to worry too much about Senate seats in CA or NJ Warren DeMontague May 2017 #191

Ya well alot of people also thought we didnt need to worry about Trump becoming President either. nt cstanleytech May 2017 #195

Sure, but thats not the same thing. Warren DeMontague May 2017 #198

I agree. n/t Binkie The Clown May 2017 #143

I agree 110%!!! Initech May 2017 #145

I agree with you Lazy Daisy May 2017 #148

Not controversial at all SCantiGOP May 2017 #158

They need to do Rebl2 May 2017 #166

I agree. You do better with younger Presidential candidates. nt Blue_true May 2017 #160

Yup. +1 nt riderinthestorm May 2017 #163

Yup, yup. Time to go back to the Future. theophilus May 2017 #164

I like Caroline Kennedy and Elizabeth Warren. (and Bernie) joanbarnes May 2017 #167

I agree! Dyedinthewoolliberal May 2017 #168

Yup! WestCoastDem42 May 2017 #171

I think its time to find someone a bit younger than those in order to cstanleytech May 2017 #172

I vote on issues only! ZX86 May 2017 #174

I gave my opinion.... kentuck May 2017 #176

What I do want to see... NCTraveler May 2017 #175

I've seen this sentiment so often online that I'm tempted to remove my eyes with a melon baller... CBHagman May 2017 #179

I want to see the best qualified Democrat Progressive dog May 2017 #180

I have no... Mike Nelson May 2017 #182

Dwayne Johnson joanbarnes May 2017 #183

with Tom Hanks nini May 2017 #189

This isn't a joke Cosmocat May 2017 #210

I am liking Jay Inslee, the governor of Washington. (eom) StevieM May 2017 #185

Fuck Yea.. Obvious...We need Young Blood. busterbrown May 2017 #186

100% agree Knicks007 May 2017 #188

I actually think Biden would be good. OldSchoolLiberal May 2017 #192

I would like to see... SkyDaddy7 May 2017 #193

Indeed....... BlueJac May 2017 #197

Before We Get to 2020 dlk May 2017 #199

Totally agree. Time for new blood and a fresh-looking future. Chemisse May 2017 #206

I acknowledge that might be controversial for some, but not for me Miles Archer May 2017 #207

Well said! kentuck May 2017 #214

You are absolutely right! Freedomofspeech May 2017 #209

AGREED. The situation has changed, and so must the candidates. VOX May 2017 #211

Agree linnknee May 2017 #215

100% agree. wildeyed May 2017 #216

1000 agree. Hillary has already said that. Justice May 2017 #217

at 65, kpete May 2017 #220

Agreed! I'm in my mid-50s and am tired of the older generation running/ruining everything electron_blue May 2017 #221

I truly hope to see younger generations govern the US long before I die lunatica May 2017 #222

Doesn't seem to be as controversial as you thought. Nt NCTraveler May 2017 #223

We need new PROGRESSIVE blood in the Dem Party . . FairWinds May 2017 #225

I agree! It's time to move on and embrace a new group of Dems to lead the party! TheDebbieDee May 2017 #226

I agree except that jimlup May 2017 #227

Agree 100% Runningdawg May 2017 #228

How about Ted Lieu of California TNNurse May 2017 #229

Born in Taiwan. kentuck May 2017 #230

Did not know. He is doing good work. TNNurse May 2017 #231

Dems ran the wrong woman last time jesskirablue42 May 2017 #232

It's a damn shame that Jennifer Granholm was born in Canada. GoCubsGo May 2017 #238

I think all of them would be far too old for that. talldarkhandsome May 2017 #244

It certainly worked when Obama ran mnhtnbb May 2017 #248

I think placing a ceiling on age is idiotic LanternWaste May 2017 #249