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zipplewrath

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15. Actually, the left blamed job losses

Mon May 22, 2017, 03:04 PM

May 2017

The tea party bunch did too. The conservatives defended it.

As for Assange, he's a symptom not a cause. Secrecy as a way of governing is becoming more and more impossible, really since the Pentagon papers. We now have an adversarial press and on an international level. Information will get out. It was a mistake to attempt to negotiate the treaty in extreme secrecy, it turned alot of support against it. Secrecy just ends up being a way to get blackmailed. It empowers ones opponents. One doesn't have to walk around naked, but they do have to be willing to have their points of view exposed, especially at the discretion of their opponents. A strategy that relies upon the ability to contain adverse information is a strategy waiting to fail.

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Time to face facts: Assange played the left like a fiddle on TPP [View all] Blue_Tires May 2017 OP

Julian Assange is not a friend of this nation. MineralMan May 2017 #1

It's unrealistic ronnie624 May 2017 #7

I'm not even going to try to answer your reply. MineralMan May 2017 #9

Of course not. ronnie624 May 2017 #11

Assange is a Russian troll who has lost all credibiliity and will eventually spend the rest of his Demsrule86 May 2017 #46

We shouldn't give enemy agents any benefit of the doubt at any time uponit7771 May 2017 #51

Russia isn't my enemy. n/t ronnie624 May 2017 #53

Putin's gov is the enemy of democracy uponit7771 May 2017 #56

Perhaps for the Russian people. ronnie624 May 2017 #58

For the US and Russia, there's no perhaps... proven empirically he's scum ... fuck Putin uponit7771 May 2017 #60

Actually, we all got played, but by the right. zipplewrath May 2017 #2

Deflection from the point of the OP. bettyellen May 2017 #3

You prefer confrontation? zipplewrath May 2017 #5

RWers hated the TPP because they wrongfully blame job losses on it. bettyellen May 2017 #12

Actually, the left blamed job losses zipplewrath May 2017 #15

Assange has been editing WikiShit to manipulate people for years- anyone ethical left Wiki years ago bettyellen May 2017 #16

But that's sorta the point zipplewrath May 2017 #20

Discerning readers check multiple sources instead of relying on folks who have an obvs agenda. bettyellen May 2017 #21

And there will be another zipplewrath May 2017 #23

A symptom that happens to lazy thinkers who prefer anger and confusion to reality. Education helps.. bettyellen May 2017 #24

But you can operate more openly zipplewrath May 2017 #25

Campaigns are always going to try to hide strategy, so NOPE... bettyellen May 2017 #27

Times are a changin' zipplewrath May 2017 #28

People are wising up to shitty partisan sources... most won't admit it but they won't get away with bettyellen May 2017 #32

And there will be another zipplewrath May 2017 #36

Assange used Wikileaks good reputation and ruined it. Most thinking individuals saw it while it was bettyellen May 2017 #38

Yup zipplewrath May 2017 #42

The TPP as written was a bad deal for us period. Demsrule86 May 2017 #47

What is this "actual slavery in the deal" ? bettyellen May 2017 #54

Read below and tell me about worker protection. Demsrule86 May 2017 #75

"Human rights advocates strongly support" ... and that's bad? bettyellen May 2017 #77

What they support was not in the bill...it was taken out...so slave countries could participate... Demsrule86 May 2017 #79

I'm saddened by what my google search turned up- no easy answers- what are the answers? bettyellen May 2017 #84

So the TPP took steps to improve workers rights but it wasn't enough and now there is nothing.... bettyellen May 2017 #57

They allowed slavery in the TPP...and the steps they take in these Demsrule86 May 2017 #74

there were plans to improve existing human rights issues with stronger steps than last time bettyellen May 2017 #76

You can not expect American workers to compete with slave countries... Demsrule86 May 2017 #80

We already are competing with abused workers worldwide. We use prison labor ourselves! bettyellen May 2017 #82

Pulling out of TPP gives China the ability to set the tone and becomes huge dominating force tammywammy May 2017 #4

You mean they aren't zipplewrath May 2017 #8

Consistent with their strategic agreement with Russia jberryhill May 2017 #29

Yeap, Assange was a 30% truth fact 70% bold face ass'd lie type person ... the 30% truth is to ... uponit7771 May 2017 #6

Assange did the people of the United States a huge favor. Jim Lane May 2017 #10

Any "favor' he did with the TPP is vastly outweighed by the damage pnwmom May 2017 #19

that's fine and may be true, although its hardly a coup. The same people run JCanete May 2017 #61

Yes, it's a coup. Achieved under-the-radar and without violence, pnwmom May 2017 #62

that doesn't have anything to do with what I said. Could the GOP impeach him JCanete May 2017 #63

I just added a link to Yale History Professor Timothy Snyder's thoughts pnwmom May 2017 #65

I agree with him...we are in danger of losing our democracy. Russia has less JCanete May 2017 #66

I think it is quite likely that key leaders in Congress are as tangled up with Russia pnwmom May 2017 #69

I very much agree they could be being blackmailed. Frankly, I'm sure the GOP JCanete May 2017 #71

trade partnerships are a fine idea, but they shouldn't be skewed towards JCanete May 2017 #13

The TPP was a bad deal. Demsrule86 May 2017 #48

For those of us who remember NAFTA gratuitous May 2017 #55

Not all on the left. Some of us noticed the giant red flag. pnwmom May 2017 #14

Wikileaks doesn't hack, they publish. ronnie624 May 2017 #17

Wikileaks never publishes documents about Russia. pnwmom May 2017 #18

Not exactly obvious zipplewrath May 2017 #26

What IS obvious is that Assange has been coordinating with pnwmom May 2017 #34

Yes, he is a fool zipplewrath May 2017 #37

From your article: ronnie624 May 2017 #67

They might not "prove" it to that writer's satisfaction, pnwmom May 2017 #68

"Evidence" from the CIA software that falsifies sources? n/t ronnie624 May 2017 #70

Yeah.. only Hillary.. NOT Repubs or Russia Cha May 2017 #43

And Obama. n/t pnwmom May 2017 #45

Pisses the hell out of me. I tried to tell everybody, but nooo, Obama was throwing the workers under Hekate May 2017 #22

Yep jberryhill May 2017 #30

You'd be hard pressed to prove it would "control" China zipplewrath May 2017 #31

Uh huh Hekate May 2017 #41

+1000 pnwmom May 2017 #35

Yep. ucrdem May 2017 #40

+1 uponit7771 May 2017 #49

+1 betsuni May 2017 #64

The Democratic Party has alway supported trade deals and open markets GulfCoast66 May 2017 #33

I have watched high paying jobs move overseas for years...and those who didn't understand that the Demsrule86 May 2017 #50

Yes, big time. The "secret negotiated" IP chapter was first leaked in May 2012 by Darrel Issa ucrdem May 2017 #39

and now Trump and the rest of his shitty fucked up family are making business deals with China JI7 May 2017 #44

And selling Golden Visas for half a million dollars, monetizing the hell out of the presidency... Hekate May 2017 #52

The world moves on without us. Yavin4 May 2017 #59

Ironically enough, while the GOP is trying to dismantle Obama's legacy, OTHER countries... Hekate May 2017 #72

I'm encouraged to see humans progress wherever they may be Yavin4 May 2017 #73

The TPP was a bad idea all around. alarimer May 2017 #78

He never fooled me. I knew he was a bad guy from the start. n/t Lil Missy May 2017 #81

Strange that McConnell / GOP gave Obama Fast Track Authority for TPP Jimbo101 May 2017 #83